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Why weapons arent allowed in the Court room

Discussion in 'Legal' started by Master Blaster, Apr 14, 2004.

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  1. Master Blaster

    Master Blaster Member

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    A coupel weeks ago there was a debate here about why weapons are not allowed in court for folks in the gallery or attorneys:


    Shooting in Philly Courtroom
    PHILADELPHIA-April 13, 2004 — The Philadelphia Criminal Justice Center was placed under lockdown after a shooting in a courtroom. An ambulance and police escort had to rush the defendant who was shot to a nearby hospital.

    IMAGES: The shooting scene
    VIDEO: David Henry reports from the CJC
    VIDEO: Walter Perez reports from Jefferson Hospital
    VIDEO: Action News spoke with people in the CJC

    There was a wild scene late Tuesday morning at the Criminal Justice Center in Philadelphia. A criminal defendant was shot by a sheriff's deputy in the courtroom where he was being sentenced for a parole violation. 24 year old Shawn Frazier was shot as he lunged for the judge. Frazier was rushed to Thomas Jefferson University Hospital with a bullet in his back. The shooting at the Criminal Justice Center raise serious questions about security. At the time, just one sheriff's deputy was assigned to the courtroom where a criminal with a violent history was being sentenced.

    The violence erupted in courtroom 1102. Judge Gary Glazer had just handed down a two to four year sentence to 26-year-old Shawn Frazier for a parole violation.

    Sheriff's deputy Thomas Clark struggled with Frazier. But he was outweighed and out-muscled by the 6-foot-three, 285-pound defendant. Clark shot him in the back, sending people in nearby courtrooms and hallways diving for cover.

    Police came running from all over Center City. The courthouse was locked down. Frazier was rushed to the hospital in critical condition with a bullet in his lower back.

    Lawyers and court personnel say security has been a concern for years. Generally there's only one sheriff's deputy in each courtroom except for special cases. If officer Clark had help, he might not have had to reach for his gun. Sheriff Green acknowledges that staffing levels need to be reexamined.

    In recent weeks sheriff's deputies have had to deal with an escape attempt, a defendant who sucker punched his attorney and the same defendant later trying to smuggle a knife into the courtroom. Sheriff Green says he'll be going to City Council looking for more money to hire more deputies.

    David Henry, Channel 6 Action News 2004.
     
  2. BowStreetRunner

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    rule # 1 as a criminal defendant - don't insult, attack, or otherwise assault the judge........its just not conducive to a long life outside prison.

    but despite that I am curious if he really needed to shoot him...but if he was a big dude:confused:
    BSR
     
  3. Leatherneck

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    I don't think even the most rabid 2A activist would advocate allowing DEFENDANTS TO HAVE A GUN AT THEIR TRIAL. :what:

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  4. GigaBuist

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    Quality reporting.

    I'd take everything in the article with a grain of salt.
     
  5. flatrock

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    I think that if I were a Judge I'd be keeping pepper spray on hand. The duputies should carry it as well.

    However, if the government wants to remove you're right to carry a gun in a courthouse, they need to provide ample security to protect you while you're there.
     
  6. El Tejon

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    Judges keep far more than pepper spray handy!:D
     
  7. Erich

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    No kidding.
     
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    If 24 year old Shawn Frazier had not lunged for the judge, he would not have needed to be shot!
     
  9. gruven

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    According to this local article, the judge wasn't in the court room at the time. He'd already escaped.
    http://www.kyw1060.com/news_story_detail.cfm?newsitemid=36828

     
  10. Standing Wolf

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    I think I've spotted the problem.
     
  11. Drjones

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    Oh, stop it you, with your common sense.

    Riiiiiiight.....whatever....

    I'd say if the guy was shot while lunging at a judge in a courtroom, that security is pretty good.

    But what do I know...:rolleyes:

    I love this whole "the criminal is a victim" mentality the media is spewing. Positively sickening.

    That the guy lunged at a judge in his courtroom demonstrates pretty clearly what sort of person this guy is.

    If there's anything wrong with the incident its that the sheriff shot about a foot too low.
     
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