(WI) (editorial) Hidden guns are Baaaaaad

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Editorial: No need for hidden guns

An editorial
July 26, 2003

Americans have a right to own guns, just as they have a right to speak freely, to worship as they choose and to be safe from unreasonable search and seizure.

All of those rights are secured by the Constitution. Yet, at the same time, all of those rights are subject to reasonable regulation.

The protection against search and seizure, for instance, does not prevent officers of the law from arresting criminals and confiscating stolen goods. Freedom of religion protections do not extend to allowing the practice of bigamy. Freedom of speech safeguards do not permit one individual to libel another.

In every case, rights are constrained by common sense.

And so it must be with the right to bear arms.

The state should not get into the business of seizing weapons from lawful gun owners, and it should be cautious when it comes to regulating the types of weapons that individuals can own for hunting, personal protection or historical collections.

But when it comes to core issues of public safety, reasonable regulations on deadly weapons should be made using the common sense test.

We agree with Dane County Sheriff Gary Hamblin, Madison Police Chief Richard Williams and other local law enforcement leaders who say the state should not change the law to permit people to carry concealed weapons. A bill sponsored by state Rep. Scott Gunderson, R-Union Grove, and state Sen. Dave Zien, R-Eau Claire, asks the Legislature to make that change, and it has substantial support.

Hamblin has brought a lot of balance to the debate, arguing, "I'm not an anti-gun person. I'm a deer hunter and a grouse hunter, and I appreciate the constitutional right to bear arms. But I'm not at all convinced of the need in Wisconsin for citizens to be carrying concealed weapons at this time."

That's the common sense argument.

A number of states around the country - 44, at current count - have laws that make it legal to carry a concealed weapon. The sky will not fall if Wisconsin follows their lead.

But we think that Hamblin has it right. No developments within Wisconsin have led to the call for changing a long-existing state law. The current push is a political gambit by legislators who have decided to fake up an issue in order to score political points.

Common sense says that Wisconsin does not need a concealed-carry law.

Published: 3:55 PM 7/25/03
 
Hamblin has brought a lot of balance to the debate, arguing, "I'm not an anti-gun person. I'm a deer hunter and a grouse hunter, and I appreciate the constitutional right to bear arms. But I'm not at all convinced of the need in Wisconsin for citizens to be carrying concealed weapons at this time."

And this guys opinion of other people's NEED is worth how much?
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"I'm not an anti-gun person. I'm a deer hunter and a grouse hunter, and I appreciate the constitutional right to bear arms. But I'm not at all convinced of the need in Wisconsin for citizens to be carrying concealed weapons at this time."

That's the common sense argument.

That's it?!?! That's their whole "common sense" argument?!?! What a joke.
 
"Americans have a right to own guns, just as they have a right to speak freely, to worship as they choose and to be safe from unreasonable search and seizure."

Okay, Mzzzzzz Editorialist. You have the right to speak freely, but not outside your home. You have the right to worship as you choose, but not outside your home.

If you open your pie-hole in public--and that includes writing an editorial column or letter to the newspaper-- you will be arrested, booked and charged with unlawful public speech. The charge is a Class A misdemeanor, which carries a potential $10,000 fine and nine months in prison.

If you so much as say the words "God" or "Allah" in a public place, you are guilty of a Class A misdemeanor, which carries with it a potential fine of $10,000 and nine months in prison.

Those are the current penalties for exercising a right to bear arms outside our homes in Wisconsin.

Tell me again about my gun rights, and how they jibe with your view of the constitutional rights to speak and pray. Or are you just equivocating? Seeing as how you're from Madison, WI, I suspect the latter.
 
A number of states around the country - 44, at current count - have laws that make it legal to carry a concealed weapon. The sky will not fall if Wisconsin follows their lead.

Leftist extremists trying to seem reasonable are like porcupines wearing silk stockings: less than entirely convincing.
 
I agree completely with the article except for a couple of things:

What is her "reasonable regulation" might be UNreasonable to me and neither she nor anyone else has any sort of "right" to restrict MY rights. I don't live in WI and will likely never do so and that doesn't matter. My statement is a blanket one. The problem with "reasonable regulation" is that we have no standard for what is "reasonable". Sort of analagous to "who watches the watchmen?".

"Common sense" is a term that I hate in regard to gun control. It's always used by the antis and rarely by the pros. They try to make it like WE are the unreasonable ones because, obviously, we don't have much "common sense".

Here's my view:

The answer to "reasonable regulation" is no regulation at all. That means that we're not infringing on anyone's rights. The natural state of things is no regulation. Laws are an invention of mankind.

"Common sense" gun laws? Let anyone who is an adult and has never committed a violent crime buy and carry any firearm that they please. How is that a problem? If you've never committed a crime, why penalize you? THAT is a huge irk of mine in regard to gun control. I haven't committed any crimes with my firearms...why should my rights to carry or own certain types of firearms be restricted?

We've basically been tried and found guilty of criminal intent and had part of our rights taken away without being arrested or given an actual trial. Our right to due process was flushed down the toilet along with part of our 2nd Amendment rights...and they continue to push this agenda and it will not end until ALL rights to own firearms are gone in this country and they begin confiscation.

I hate to be an alarmist or agitator but have any of you seen laws being taken off the books? Have we regained anything that was lost in this struggle at any time? There might be small victories in the battles but the war is being lost.
 
I think just about EVERY big city editor in EVERY state and town that is a possible home for CCW has this SAME opinion
it must be something you sign when you become an editor
"I promise to write at least one anti CCW editorial should the issue come before the people's representatives. This editorial will attempt to be logical, fair, and pro rights, but it will really be devoid of all thought and a rehash of every lie the bliss ninny gun grabbing professors in school taught me
signed ______"
 
No developments within Wisconsin have led to the call for changing a long-existing state law.

Didn't the WI State Supreme Court recently rule that State Law was in conflict with the state Constitution and encouraged the legislature to act? I'd call that a pretty big development.

The current push is a political gambit by legislators who have decided to fake up an issue in order to score political points.

For a "fake issue", this Editor, various politicians, law enforcement officals and the WI Courts seem to be very interested in it. :rolleyes:
 
The common sense argument is nothing but a way to avoid any discussion of facts, evidence, or logic.

Also, the appeal to "need" presupposes that a) there is no need; and b) the burden is on the free citizen to "prove" his need before he is permitted to exercise his alleged "right."
 
"No developments within Wisconsin have led to the call for changing a long-existing state law."

Nope. Just a lot of people getting stabbed, shot, beaten and raped by criminals. Nothing new here, move along.

I wonder about the woman who not long ago was gang-raped and tortured in an alley for 45 minutes before a police officer showed up. Do you think she might want to carry a weapon now (if she already isn't)?

What about Charlie Young, who was beaten to death with fists, feet, 2x4's and anything else that a gang of "youths" could get their hands on? Do you think he would have wanted a weapon to defend himself?

Of course, most of this stuff happens on the north side of Milwaukee, so the elite liberals don't really care. They just light a candle, then go back to their suburban homes, telling themselves they did something.
 
all of those rights are subject to reasonable regulation.

Yep. And reasonable regulation is none, nit, zero, swab and nothing. I would rather live free and die young than live a long, sheltered life protected by my "nanny." Although I would prefer to live long and free...
 
To say your argument is 'common sense' without any supporting facts backing it up is exceedingly weak writing and poor journalism. The writer simply says, "My argument is the common sense view." Oh? How? Why? Explain, please.

I would argue that allowing people to carry concealed is the common sense argument, BECAUSE criminals flout laws against murder, so why would gun laws concern them? I also think it follows logically that a person who goes to the trouble of getting a CCW and paying the reg fees and for training isn't generally the type who is going to go out and kill little old ladies. And I know that the data support me.
 
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