WI: Gov. Doyle's press release on the CCW veto

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Once we override this idiot's veto, I can't wait to rub it in his face.

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http://www.wisgov.state.wi.us/pressreleases_detail.asp?prid=305

Governor Doyle Announces Veto of Concealed Carry Bill

Flanked by sheriffs, deputies, police chiefs, police officers, troopers and other law enforcement officers, Governor Jim Doyle announced today that he has vetoed SB 214, legislation that would allow concealed weapons into almost all public places and would weaken restrictions against guns on school grounds and in school zones.

“This bill doesn’t create a single job, doesn’t help a single Wisconsin citizen afford health care, and doesn’t improve schools for a single Wisconsin child,†Governor Doyle said. “It’s time for the Legislature to get back to the serious work of solving problems that face Wisconsin families, instead of catering to the wishes of extremist special interest groups.â€

“That is why earlier today I took my veto pen, and used it to stand with law enforcement to keep lethal weapons away from our schools, businesses, and communities,†Doyle said.

A wide range of law enforcement groups oppose the legislation, including:

-- The Badger State Sheriff’s Association
-- The Wisconsin Chiefs of Police Association
-- The Wisconsin Sheriffs and Deputy Sheriffs Association
-- The Wisconsin District Attorneys Association
-- The Wisconsin County Police Association
-- The Association of State Prosecutors
-- The Wisconsin Troopers’ Association

Additionally, out of 72 sheriffs in Wisconsin, just three are on record supporting a concealed hand gun law. And at least 65 sheriffs have vowed to “opt out†of the bill.

The Governor noted that the bill passed by the Legislature would allow concealed weapons into crowded shopping malls during the holidays, public libraries, public buildings, Boys and Girls Clubs, banks, universities, movie theaters, concert venues like Alpine Valley, Summerfest, parades, parking lots, farmers markets, and the State Fair.

“Even after the tragedy at Columbine, this bill would weaken restrictions against carrying lethal weapons on school grounds,†said Governor Doyle. “I think we all agree that Wisconsin’s schools need more textbooks and more teachers - but one thing they sure don’t need is more guns.â€

The Governor noted that, under SB 214, the only way that a businessowner can legally prevent people from walking into a store with a concealed weapon is to physically approach the person and tell them to leave, a provision that hurts businesses and puts employees at risk.

The bill also carves out an exception to Wisconsin’s open records law that would keep information about concealed weapons secret from the public, and would also limit access to the information by law enforcement.

“Under this bill, hunting and fishing licenses would be public information, but permits to carry lethal weapons into shopping malls would be kept secret,†Governor Doyle said. “And it’s even more absurd that the bill limits access to information by the police. Before approaching a car on a routine traffic stop, officers will have access to a person’s driving record, but not whether that person has a concealed weapon. It’s just wrong to put our officers in danger like that.â€

The Governor noted that the bill will bury our sheriffs departments in a mountain of paperwork, create a huge unfunded mandate, and cost local governments more than $3.7 million. According to the Department of Justice, 35,000 people would apply for a permit in the first year. “That’s 35,000 forms to process, 35,000 background checks to conduct, and 35,000 applicants to keep track of - leaving less time and fewer resources for the really important work of preventing, investigating, and prosecuting crimes,†the Governor said.

Now that the bill has been vetoed, the Governor urged legislators in both parties to get back to work on his job creation agenda. “I’m calling on the Legislature - Republicans and Democrats - to work with me to address the real issues in our state. It’s ime for us to get back to work, so our citizens can get back to work too,†the Governor concluded.
 
The Governor noted that the bill passed by the Legislature would allow concealed weapons into crowded shopping malls during the holidays, public buildings, Boys and Girls Clubs, banks, universities, movie theaters, concert venues like Alpine Valley, Summerfest, parades, parking lots, farmers markets, and the State Fair.

With that train of thought, lets make these areas really safe and disarm law enforcement, ban weapons 100% in these areas no matter who you are. Now, doesn't that make you all feel safer? :rolleyes:
 
It occers to ask if Wisconsen has a recall law

Since it appears that this govorner is ignoreing the will of the People he has taken an oath to serve.:cuss:
Hopefully the legislature will overide his veto.:neener:
 
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The Governor noted that, under SB 214, the only way that a businessowner can legally prevent people from walking into a store with a concealed weapon is to physically approach the person and tell them to leave, a provision that hurts businesses and puts employees at risk.
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This was the hole I asked people here to contact their legislators about fixing BEFORE sending the bill to the Governor. No – I don’t believe that would have changed his vetoing the bill. However, it was a huge hole and one that shouldn’t have been there. It basically stated that CCW licensees would be blind and stupid.

Reading through everything else he had to say, excluding CCW at Summerfest and WI State Fair probably should have been enacted as well. Anyone that has ever been to either of those events knows security (both public & private) makes you feel like you’re in the old USSR. Yes, before anyone points out that Summerfest had some problems outside of their gates two years ago, there were problems (No one died). And everyone that knows anything that the Summerfest board quickly addressed that issue by discontinuing the midway. The open records law everyone knew was going to be a stumbling block. In a state that has so much public corruption lately, we knew the newspapers and any politician gunning for another would jump on that. Finally, processing CCW licenses I knew would be an issue in SE WI. I guess there should have been a clause adjusting the fee or requiring the State to pay any difference of fees collected versus actual costs. Unfunded State mandates are at an all-time low here.

It’s a shame it failed. The politics of this bill make me sick. My hope now is that the legislators will override the veto and then go back and fix the holes later (and hopefully put it on a fast track).

I didn’t hold this view a month ago. Monkeyleg pointed out to me how long this nonsense has been going on. Prior to talking with him, my thought was why pass a bill with holes. He explained to me it’s been ten years worth of this BS.

“I’m from the Government and I’m here tohelp.†:barf:
 
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It’s time for the Legislature to get back to the serious work of solving problems that face Wisconsin families, instead of catering to the wishes of extremist special interest groups.

I'm proud to tell you I'm a bona fide, qualified, certified member of an extremist special interest group that believes ordinary law-abiding American citizens' lives and property are worth defending against criminals, tyrants, and terrorists.

Wisconsin needs to fire its governor.
 
"“Under this bill, hunting and fishing licenses would be public information, but permits to carry lethal weapons into shopping malls would be kept secret,†Governor Doyle said. “And it’s even more absurd that the bill limits access to information by the police. Before approaching a car on a routine traffic stop, officers will have access to a person’s driving record, but not whether that person has a concealed weapon. It’s just wrong to put our officers in danger like that.â€

Absolute bullfeathers. A CCW permit would come up whenever a plate is run during a traffic stop.

Two weeks ago, Doyle was using the "Little League games" as part of his list of anti-CCW cliches. Once the bill was amended, he had to change to "shopping malls." What's next, Guv? Are you going to pander to the public's fear of concealed weapons in dark alleys? Oh, strike that. You've already gotten the criminal vote. In fact, you and your cohorts are now criminals yourselves for the illegal deals that you've struck.
 
CommonSense:

The "I told you so" rhetoric is not appreciated. Whatever the bill looked like, Doyle would find something to criticize.

He is against the concept NO MATTER WHAT the details.

I don't consider his "holes" to be problems. The holes are where the bill is too restrictive, not too permissive.
 
Npayne: Thanks for your take from another state. If you felt my message was in an “I told you so†manner, maybe you didn’t read it. I clearly stated that I didn’t think it would change his mind on any possible veto. I simply stated it was a hole and that I didn’t think it should have been there when placed on his desk.

And you’re certainly entitled to your opinions as to what a “hole†is.

However, rather than call your post, “rhetoricâ€, I’ll concede you have the right to your opinion - even if it differs from mine.

Take care!
 
When is this clown up for re-election? This is the same nonsense that cost Anne Richards her job a few years back here. She vetoed the CHL bill so local basebal team owner and son of a former president unseated her in an upset because he promised to sign it.
 
Yes. He could be recalled. A referendum is required. It wouldn’t happen though. He stepped into a job no one in their right mind would have wanted. There are other items that many in the state agree with him with. There was a 3.2 billion dollar deficit when he took office. That might not sound like a lot if you’re from California, but in Wisconsin, a state already the third highest taxed in the nation, it’s a big deal.

Some claim his veto for local control will affect his popularity. Bull! While everyone agrees they don’t want their taxes increased, most agree no one wants Madison to dictate to local officials how their communities should be managed – especially after the state reduced “shared revenueâ€.

But wait – Wisconsin politics get even better. Doyle vetoed a law defining marriage as a contract/commitment between a man and a female (state law said it was between a husband and awife). Everyone thought, “no big dealâ€. The news the next day stated he was negotiating with the state’s unions for same sex benefits coverage.

And on and on it goes.

Anyway, the best way to get the law passed is by notifying the few Democrats that voted for the bill not to flip-flop their vote based on party lines. And it never hurts to call those that voted against it as well.
 
ya know...

I'm REALLY begining to hope the national reciprocity bill goes through, and the veto DOESN'T get overturned. I think it would be a BEAUTIFUL weapon in the hands of the antis political opponents that so much revenue was leaving the state...

Not to say I'm disgusted with this political BS game...
 
A recall effort is underway, and petitions can be circulated once the governor is in office for one year, which will be mid-January. I really don't expect much to come of it.

My hope is that other Democrats will follow the lead of Senator Roger Breske, who decided weeks ago that he would vote to override. When fellow Dem's questioned his decision, he told them that he'd had to go to bat for Doyle on vetoes too many times: the veto on Indian gaming compacts, and the veto on the tax freeze in particular. While giving nothing in terms of support to Democrat legislators, Doyle has asked them to face angry constituents over these issues.

There was no organized opposition to the Indian gaming compacts, and the groups opposed to Doyle's position on the tax freeze were by no means organized. However, the NRA in Wisconsin is extremely well-organized, and legislators know this.

Any Dem who changes his/her vote on this bill will be committing political suicide. Two of those Democrat senators--Julie Lassa and Robert Wirch--face re-election next year. All of the seven Democrat representatives who voted for the bill face re-election next year. And all of them--senators and representatives--are from districts where the NRA is very powerful.

The above represents our hole cards. Let's hope that they work.

What I really, really want to see is some press coverage of the Doyle/Balow situation. Representative Balow was one of three Democrats who voted for the bill last year but didn't this year. There's a building in Balow's district called the "Altoona roundhouse," an old railroad building that the company wants to tear down. Some community groups wanted to restore it. According to Senator Zien and others, Doyle gave Balow's district the money to restore the building in exchange for Balow's vote against CCW. Now, this stuff happens all the time, even though it's illegal. But this time, Balow was running around the capitol bragging about the deal, and there are witnesses.

If the press picks up on a "cash-for-vote" story, it will be much harder for Doyle to play let's-make-a-deal with the Democrats who've voted for the bill. After all, if they see the Balow story making headlines, their own votes would come under scrutiny.

There has to be a way to get this story more widely publicized.
 
He was just elected. 2006 is the next election

Well, I for one sure hope y'all throw that bum out. That press release was one of the most elitist things I have ever read.

And be sure to thank your police associations for their support.:barf:
 
Hi greyhound: That probably won’t happen until at least 2006.

If you want to help us get the bill enacted, call as many of our state legislators as you can. Tell them that you’ve read Milwaukee has built a new convention center, stadium, and rebuilt the old auditorium into a sparkling new theater. Then ask why they are so against people defending themselves – especially in light of the national news coverage of the brutal crimes being committed here. Ask why they want people to visit, yet allow only criminals to be armed.

Here’s the State home page of people you may want to call. Read Monkeyleg’s posts if you want to know where to start. http://www.legis.state.wi.us/

Thanks for your help.
 
“This bill doesn’t create a single job, doesn’t help a single Wisconsin citizen afford health care, and doesn’t improve schools for a single Wisconsin child,†Governor Doyle said. “It’s time for the Legislature to get back to the serious work of solving problems that face Wisconsin families, instead of catering to the wishes of extremist special interest groups.â€

Seems to me that with a $3.2B deficit, you may alrady have too much of the other stuff. The legislature, the people's representatives, a majority of them, honoring our rights, are bowing to extreme special interest groups? I think the shoe is on the wrong foot:uhoh:
 
“This bill doesn’t create a single job, doesn’t help a single Wisconsin citizen afford health care, and doesn’t improve schools for a single Wisconsin child,†Governor Doyle said.
Neither do 99.99% of the other laws passed by any state's government. Using that logic, how many of these bills/laws should he veto http://www.legis.state.wi.us/billtrack.html ?

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This bill doesn’t create a single job
In thinking about it ... the bill WOULD create jobs; Clerical jobs with the state (processing CCW paperwork), more employees at gun shops to handle the increase in handgun sales, and more certified gun safety trainers to teach the classes that are required to get a CCW.
 
In thinking about it ... the bill WOULD create jobs; Clerical jobs with the state (processing CCW paperwork), more employees at gun shops to handle the increase in handgun sales, and more certified gun safety trainers to teach the classes that are required to get a CCW.

Good point, I never thought about that comeback on Doyle's job whining. That will definitely create more jobs in the first few years. But no, remember, people might carry their weapons into shopping malls during Christmas shopping and scare away all the patrons thus causing financial loss and layoffs :barf:
 
They still haven't learned

I guess the Dems in the legislature and in the governor's office still haven't learned their lesson about denying and undermining the people's right to keep and bear arms.

Well, I guess it takes some people getting hit over the head with a ton of bricks to finally get the idea of what the people want. It's not going to be pretty next year. Doyle may not have to stand for election next year but a lot of people in the legislature are going to. It will be interesting to see if they value their political skins more than standing with an anti-gun governor, who is going to lose in the long run on this issue, anyway.
 
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