WI: State Assembly to vote for CCW veto override (watch the action)
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StopTheGrays
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Just started.
medic_guns
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good luck. I hope they override the veto
71Commander
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Can't watch. Need a good color man.
medic_guns
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Did u just hear the brother talking about the passing of CS King and crying about the CCW veto override? What a joke
StopTheGrays
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recess for caucus
sturmruger
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We kind of knew this would happen. If they were smart they would have taken the vote now while they were missing a few people. Of course they might not have been missing the right people to do that.
cosine
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Darn, I missed it. Was it the old, tired soundbites you hear all the time, along with plenty of just good 'ole preaching to the crowd?
Yes, the caucus was expected.
If the Democrats were confident of anyone flipping to uphold the veto, they'd have gone straight for the vote.
There's no point in the Republicans calling the caucus, as it's a party caucus, and they don't have access to work on any potential Democratic flippers to stay the course.
At worst, it's neutral. Otherwise, it's as Dick (Monkeleg) said, it's a good sign of Democratic weakness.
My main worry is that VanAkkeren and Steinbrink are playing the "mystery legislator game" just to squeeze maximum concessions from Doyle and their party, and they had no real interest in us or CCW other than as leverage.
The only good explanation for our side about their tight lips is that they both knew they were going all the way to the end for us, and felt the mystery game was easier. That way you've got both sides sucking up to you instead of our side sucking up, and two weeks of incessant threats from their leadership and the Govenor.
Unfortunately, the caucus is a two-edged sword. The immediate retreat into caucus, and how long they stay in caucus is a good sign of how strong our position was. Of course, the longer they're in there the longer they have to come up with pressure, bribes, appointments, power, to lure the wafflers away...
If the Democrats were confident of anyone flipping to uphold the veto, they'd have gone straight for the vote.
There's no point in the Republicans calling the caucus, as it's a party caucus, and they don't have access to work on any potential Democratic flippers to stay the course.
At worst, it's neutral. Otherwise, it's as Dick (Monkeleg) said, it's a good sign of Democratic weakness.
My main worry is that VanAkkeren and Steinbrink are playing the "mystery legislator game" just to squeeze maximum concessions from Doyle and their party, and they had no real interest in us or CCW other than as leverage.
The only good explanation for our side about their tight lips is that they both knew they were going all the way to the end for us, and felt the mystery game was easier. That way you've got both sides sucking up to you instead of our side sucking up, and two weeks of incessant threats from their leadership and the Govenor.
Unfortunately, the caucus is a two-edged sword. The immediate retreat into caucus, and how long they stay in caucus is a good sign of how strong our position was. Of course, the longer they're in there the longer they have to come up with pressure, bribes, appointments, power, to lure the wafflers away...
StopTheGrays
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More like "suffer the inaction".
Any word yet from anybody who is there?
Let's take a trip in the old way-back machine, and look at what led up to the previous override attempt(please keep in mind that this story is two years old):
"http://www.madison.com/wisconsinstatejournal/local/65836.php1/22/04 - Although the bill passed the Assembly 64-35 in November, two votes shy of the two-thirds needed to override the governor, Republicans were optimistic about their chances when it comes back to them, perhaps as early as Tuesday.
That's because two of the original votes against the bill were by Republican Reps. Luther Olsen of Berlin and John Townsend of Fond du Lac. <
Now, "they're on board. All of the Republicans are on board," said Rep. Scott Gunderson, R-Union Grove, the chief sponsor of the bill in the Assembly. Republicans control the Assembly 59-39.
Olsen and Townsend declined to respond to requests for interviews Thursday. But if they do opt to override, at least one of the seven Democrats who backed the bill originally would need to switch his or her vote to keep the provision from becoming law.
Three - Reps. Marlin Schneider of Wisconsin Rapids, Wayne Wood of Janesville and Terry Van Akkeren of Sheboygan - said Thursday they intended to vote in favor of an override. A spokesman for Rep. Barbara Gronemus, D-Whitehall, said she was likely to support an override based on the mail and phone calls coming into her office.
Reps. Gary Sherman, D-Port Wing, John Steinbrink, D-Pleasant Prairie, and Amy Sue Vruwink, D-Milladore, declined to discuss their positions"
"http://www.madison.com/wisconsinstatejournal/local/65836.php1/22/04 - Although the bill passed the Assembly 64-35 in November, two votes shy of the two-thirds needed to override the governor, Republicans were optimistic about their chances when it comes back to them, perhaps as early as Tuesday.
That's because two of the original votes against the bill were by Republican Reps. Luther Olsen of Berlin and John Townsend of Fond du Lac. <
Now, "they're on board. All of the Republicans are on board," said Rep. Scott Gunderson, R-Union Grove, the chief sponsor of the bill in the Assembly. Republicans control the Assembly 59-39.
Olsen and Townsend declined to respond to requests for interviews Thursday. But if they do opt to override, at least one of the seven Democrats who backed the bill originally would need to switch his or her vote to keep the provision from becoming law.
Three - Reps. Marlin Schneider of Wisconsin Rapids, Wayne Wood of Janesville and Terry Van Akkeren of Sheboygan - said Thursday they intended to vote in favor of an override. A spokesman for Rep. Barbara Gronemus, D-Whitehall, said she was likely to support an override based on the mail and phone calls coming into her office.
Reps. Gary Sherman, D-Port Wing, John Steinbrink, D-Pleasant Prairie, and Amy Sue Vruwink, D-Milladore, declined to discuss their positions"
LotI
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Which way did she vote 2 years ago?Trip20 said:
I sent my legislator (Democrat) a note telling her that I vote(I do) and that I would appreciate her support to override.
btw...still in recess.
Caucus pool....
Okay,
Here are the rules.
- All guesses have to be posted at least an hour before the time you guess on this thread.
- You only get one guess (no editing)
- Winner is the closest in minutes to the actual time the Legislature is back in session.
- In the event of a high/low tie on either side of the actual resumption of the session, (i.e. Guess 1: 9:05 p.m., Actual 9:10 p.m. Guess 2 9:15 p.m. etc...) the low guess (ex: 9:05 p.m.) breaks the tie and is the winner.
- Any guess after 12:01 a.m. on WEDNESDAY needs to have the DATE on it. UNDATED time entries will be ASSUMED to be for today, Tuesday, Jan. 31st.
My official guess is that they come out of caucus today at 10:23 p.m. CST.
Place yer bets!
Winner gets a Gary Sherman dartboard!
Okay,
Here are the rules.
- All guesses have to be posted at least an hour before the time you guess on this thread.
- You only get one guess (no editing)
- Winner is the closest in minutes to the actual time the Legislature is back in session.
- In the event of a high/low tie on either side of the actual resumption of the session, (i.e. Guess 1: 9:05 p.m., Actual 9:10 p.m. Guess 2 9:15 p.m. etc...) the low guess (ex: 9:05 p.m.) breaks the tie and is the winner.
- Any guess after 12:01 a.m. on WEDNESDAY needs to have the DATE on it. UNDATED time entries will be ASSUMED to be for today, Tuesday, Jan. 31st.
My official guess is that they come out of caucus today at 10:23 p.m. CST.
Place yer bets!
Winner gets a Gary Sherman dartboard!
scout26
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5:35 pm today
10:06 am Wednesday
2:43 pm Thursday
3:22 pm Friday
10:06 am Wednesday
2:43 pm Thursday
3:22 pm Friday
StopTheGrays
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Feeling a little , and a little 
, and a little all at the same time. I wonder how long we have to wait for a vote?
, and a little , and a little all at the same time. I wonder how long we have to wait for a vote?- Status