WI: State Assembly to vote for CCW veto override (watch the action)

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cosine said:
Liberalism. It's gotta be a disease. (Mental!) :banghead:

However, I'll be sure to remember the names of those few Democrats who voted for the bill.

Some of them have been with us through several votes, however, my cynical side is showing through here. I can't help but wonder if four Democratic votes to override were there only because they knew it was "safe" for them to do so.

That way, they can take pro-gun credit in thier home district, but still be safe from the ire of the anti's, and perhaps, in their own minds if they were never really for it.

The next CCW contest will be the fall '06 elections. We need to:

- Get a Republican Govenor. (Both GOP candidates have stated they'll sign the PPA)

- Maintain at least a 51% pro-CCW balance in both houses of the Legislature. (We have lots of GOP retirments in the senate coming up, worrying some.)

Working against us is:

- It's an election, nothing is certain.

- Democratic vote fraud in Milwaukee and Madison. (remember that voter ID bill the GOP's been trying to pass?)

Working for us is:

- Doyle is weak, unliked, and scandal-ridden. It may be getting worse for him and the DNC in general.

- Suburban and rual voters may be upset over the failure to pass voter ID in WI.

- Suburban and rural voters are upset over the failure to pass any meaningful budget/tax reform.

- The GOP was successful in getting a gay marriage ammendment put to referendum on the fall '06 ballot. They believe this will help voter turnout.

- School Choice vouchers is a hot-button issue with inner city minorities. The largely Dem leaning teachers union opposes this with all thier might. It's forming as a wedge issue for the Democrats. They're being forced to choose between the powerful teachers union and the minority base. It's not nearly enough to get our first inner-city Republican elected, but it is creating dissatisfaction and weakening the liberal base somewhat.

It's far from a sure thing, but I give the fall elections a better shot at getting CCW in WI than these razor-thin override contests the past few years.
 
Question from an out of stater...

Who is WGO and why are they claiming this as a "pro gun victory"????
I'm confused.
Also unhappy, I travel to WI for business, I was looking forward to reciprocity.

Keep up the fight!!
 
I am sorry to see what happened in WI. I am outraged by the post from the director of WGO gloating over this. Life is about compromise. Politics is the art of compromise. My view of the world is that I should be able to buy a Glock 18 without undue hassle and I should be able to carry it whereever I want to, including on commercial airplanes. Guess what I live in CA and that is not going to happen in a millions years here, and so I'm willing to compromise to get victories that get me to some place which is better than where I am now.

Cheeseheads, do not despair. It sounds like Doyle is the problem and he will be GONE next year, and this thing will pass. I think this thing is inevitable at this point. Keep on fighting. Freedom isn't free. It takes a lot of work. Be happy, you are a lot closer to it than we are here in CA.
 
AJ Dual said:
There goes my pool...
(snip)...If the Gubanatorial race this fall goes our way, and barring massive electoral incompetence by the WI GOP at large, we stand a good shot at passing this straight through in '07, with NO CONCESSIONS. We'll only need 51% then. I can think of all sorts of provisions that will make them sorry they didn't pass it when they had the chance. Other than having to wait a year and a half, we may well get a better deal next time. No school exclusions, LIABILITY for CCW banning employers, Texas "30.06" style signage requirments for banning businesses. I don't want to sound Pollyanna here, but this could be setting us up for an even better bill.
...(snip)

AJ- I'm haing a little trouble deciphering what you mean here. You certainly DON'T want texas-style posting laws. The model of MN (while certainly flawed) works well for those of us who choose to "not notice" postings. In TX, my understanding is that if you carry past a 30.06 and get caught... yer butt's in a SERIOUS wringer. In MN, they have to notice your "condition", ask you to leave, you refuse, they call the cops, you STILL refuse to leave, then they write you a trespassing ticket- $10 or something, and you keep your gun and your carry permit. We still have a ways to go as far as getting who can/can't post ironed out and some force of law to nullify (if not remove) illegal postings, but the posting laws over here are pretty soft, in general... and that's a Good Thing!
 
You are correct.

I just meant the size of the sign. The misdemeanor treaspass if you refuse to leave would remain the same. :cool:

The 11"x11" sign, or whatever it was in the latest WI bill was a great step though. Last time in '04, it got traded away to 8 1/2" x 11". That was put in there so Brady and VPC could immediately fax an anti-CCW sign to every business in the state should it have passed.
 
Hey TexasSIGman - What's your take on San Antonio or Austin? While I love Wisconsin, a change of scenery might not be bad.
 
TexasSIGman said:
Oh good Lord. Sorry I asked.......I see now. What a train wreck.

Good news is that other than the EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR'S self-important statments, the WGO's spoiler efforts did not have a significant impact.

Everything I see from "them" makes me think more and more that the WGO is just a one man show. And that the EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR is running a mail-only "gun rights" group just big enough, and just legal enough, to pay himself a salary from any misguided members he's actualy able to get.

In fact, listening to Mark Belling's radio show (Biggest conservative radio guy in WI, fills in for Rush on occasion), a caller from Steinbrink's district mentioned the WGO's mailings, and how he threw it in the trash. LOL! Both the host and caller openly speculated on-air that WGO might actualy be a "shill organization".
 
TrapperReady said:
Hey TexasSIGman - What's your take on San Antonio or Austin? While I love Wisconsin, a change of scenery might not be bad.

Austin and Dallas are not in Texas any more :evil:

San Antonio is very nice.
 
Let's set the record straight on Barbara Gronemus. She's always been 100% pro-gun, and she's always been for concealed carry. So has Marlin Schneider.

Amy Sue Vruwink is only in her second term, and took a lot of heat last session when she voted for the override. I sometimes questioned her loyalty, but behind the scenes she gave full committment to the NRA.

We need two things to happen this November: Doyle to be defeated, and the Republicans to maintain majorities in both chambers. Not saying that all Republicans are solid, but liberal Democrats running the senate or assembly will kill the bill in committee.

Unfortunately, that brings us to a dirty word: money.

We need contributions to pro-gun candidates. Our political action committee needs to raise over $42,000 just to contribute to the campaign of Green or Walker (whichever one wins the gubernatorial primary).

Trying to get a Republican elected in Sheboygan or southeast Kenosha county is nearly impossible. I think that was the problem with Sherman. Had any of us been thinking right, we would have raised a ton of money for Barb Linton to run against Sherman in the Democrat primary. It's a Democrat district, and Sherman rode John Kerry's coattails in 2004.

We just got sucker-punched. So, take a week or two to get your breath back, and then get back into the fight.

Our political action committee needs to raise at least $60,000. I'm working on organizing a fund-raising shoot with full-auto's. $40 to shoot an MP5 or Thompson or any number of other rock n' roll guns.

If anyone else would like to organize fund-raising shoots, just let me know.
 
Monkeyleg said:
Our political action committee needs to raise at least $60,000. I'm working on organizing a fund-raising shoot with full-auto's. $40 to shoot an MP5 or Thompson or any number of other rock n' roll guns.

If I wasn't in TN, I would pay the 40 adn bring my own ammo to shoot a FA Tommy.
 
Dick ~

I dunno if I've ever told you this before, but I really admire you and the work you are doing for WI gun owners. So sorry about the latest setback (sooooo close!) -- but it is downright inspiring to watch you pick yourself up, dust yourself off, and get right back into the fray.

May your tribe increase!

pax
 
pax: I don't know if you should be inspired by Dick's example or not. Can't say for sure if it's persistance against all odds, or gross stupidity...

'Course, we're two of a kind there. When 's the strategy session for the next round, Dick? I'm there. Maybe take a page from that kid in Iowa, and start hitting the pavement?
 
Monkeyleg said:
Let's set the record straight on Barbara Gronemus. She's always been 100% pro-gun, and she's always been for concealed carry. So has Marlin Schneider.

We just got sucker-punched. So, take a week or two to get your breath back, and then get back into the fight.

My mistake on saying it was Representative Gronemus that pledged her vote if the ammendment passed, I should have looked it up before posting... then I would have known it was Representative Hubler.

Dick, I applaud all that you have done. You can count on me for working a show or two in my area again in 2007 and $$ too.
 
WI sure am sorry to see that your CCW failed this time.
However I'm hopeful the law-abiding pro gun citizenry
will get it through in 07. You were facing some big time
anti-gun media blitz with Gun News Daily reporting
different stories, yet your CCW only failed by what
2 votes ?

I'm sure you'll let those know you voted for AND
against SB403, how you feel in Nov. Here is what some
of your media reported or wrote about, both +/-.

http://www.greenbaypressgazette.com...?AID=/20060129/GPG0101/601290678/1207/GPGnews
http://www.wisdems.org/ht/display/ReleaseDetails/i/732322
http://www.madison.com/tct/news/index.php?ntid=70765&ntpid=3

You can bet the Brady Bunch will be making a stink
about this CCW vote-down in WI. I was so hoping it would
pass. It might of given us hope here in Corruptfornia. Now it's..:) :what: :banghead: :cuss: :(

Here is the NRA's pc on the vote. Very small and to the point.
http://www.nraila.org/CurrentLegislation/Read.aspx?ID=1892
 
>We need to get the sportsmans clubs more involved somehow<

About the only way you're gonna pull THAT off is to tie CCW to hunting somehow. Something that hunters REALLY want needs to be connected to it, but *I* can't think of anything to use...

I'll say this: next time some hunters' group asks me for money/time for a cause, I'm gonna be VERY hard pressed not to tell 'em where to stick themselves...
 
pax said:
I dunno if I've ever told you this before, but I really admire you and the work you are doing for WI gun owners. So sorry about the latest setback (sooooo close!) -- but it is downright inspiring to watch you pick yourself up, dust yourself off, and get right back into the fray.

I just got done taking advantage of an unmitigated "happy hour," and a well-earned call to the woman I love for a ride home.

All evening I've been drowning my grief in many ounces of Coors Light. While this is a very mediocre anesthetic, I couldn't shake the thought of hard this must be for Dick Baker.

I am also just as inspired - if not more - than pax, and her post summarizes my feelings.

Dick, you sir, have my unqualified guarantee that I will give my every able minute and dollar to our cause.

Disappointed in WI,

Trip - the hangover will suck - 20.
 
Monkeyleg said:
I'm not comfortable accepting thanks because there are many other people who've worked very hard to get us to this point. I didn't want my name to get out there (for business reasons), but it did.

If there was one good thing that came from today's vote, it's that there are some new people who are really inspired, and who do well before the media.

And, of course, there's the anger that we have to keep alive.

Jim Doyle has shown that WI government is for sale. If those are the terms of battle, then I'm ready to play on those terms. Let's raise as much money as possible.

Doyle also demonstrated that threats work.

Governor Doyle, you have no idea what kind of firestorm you have just invited. Within the ranks of the WCCA are licensed private investigators, county prosecutors, US attorneys, FBI agents, correctional officers, sheriffs deputies, police chiefs, former CIA operatives, and other people who know how to gather intel on opponents.

Let's give you an example, Guv: you've got a Democrat down in Racine who bows and scrapes before you, but carries a .357.

It's going to be pretty tough for you to defend him when he gets busted for CCW.

Go Dick, go!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 
I'm not comfortable accepting thanks because there are many other people who've worked very hard to get us to this point. I didn't want my name to get out there (for business reasons), but it did.

If there was one good thing that came from today's vote, it's that there are some new people who are really inspired, and who do well before the media.

And, of course, there's the anger that we have to keep alive.

Jim Doyle has shown that WI government is for sale. If those are the terms of battle, then I'm ready to play on those terms. Let's raise as much money as possible.

Doyle also demonstrated that threats work.

Governor Doyle, you have no idea what kind of firestorm you have just unleashed. Within the ranks of the WCCA are licensed private investigators, county prosecutors, US attorneys, FBI agents, correctional officers, sheriffs deputies, police chiefs, former CIA operatives, and other people who know how to gather intel on opponents.

Let's give you an example, Guv: you've got a Democrat representative down in Racine who bows and scrapes before you, but carries a .357 pretty much 24/7.

It's going to be pretty tough for you to defend him when he gets busted for CCW. And I'm going to make damn sure he does, and that it gets as much press as possible.

Here's another, governor: one of your most prized legislators likes to get drunk and play with hookers after late-night legislative sessions. Think his wife might want to know about this?

If you want to play in the mud, governor, you sure have created one big mudpuddle to play in.

And I haven't even started cheating yet.

You POS.
 
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