Will be choosing between XDs 9mm and Shield 9mm

[M2 Carbine]

I was looking at the 9mm XDS yesterday, at the local gun store.
I wouldn't mind getting the 9mm to go along with the 45 XDS but the price is too high compared to the Shield.

The XDS is pretty accurate.

M2 Carbine:

Nice shooting.

Thanks.
I tore both my shoulders and they still hurt quite a bit. I have to work at shooting now to do decent.

My recent CHL qualification target (Beretta 92).
About the last 20 rounds (of 50 rounds) my shoulders were wearing on me.
Take care of your shoulders. It's a long recovery when you tear them.

 

[C0untZer0]

How did you tear your shoulders?

I do pushups every day and I'm starting to worry about getting a rotator cuff injury or something.

 

[meef]

BP Hunter: I traded 4 of my guns and walked out paying $0 for a brandnbew rifle which would have cost me $1948.

I had a brandnbew once. Never could get the thing to group very good.

Hope you have better luck with yours.

They don't hold their value very well either.

 

[M2 Carbine]

How did you tear your shoulders?

I do pushups every day and I'm starting to worry about getting a rotator cuff injury or something.

I don't think pushups will tear your RC. From what I've seen it takes a sudden hard yank on your shoulder.

The first time, 1995, I was hooking up a heavy trailer to the tractor. The trailer spun, pulling my left arm across to the right. I could feel the RC tear. I had the mental image of tearing a piece of raw meat apart. Bad pain, it put me on my knees.
A half hour later I was shooting, right handed, I couldn't move my left shoulder.
In two weeks, although it hurt, I was able to move my left arm enough to go back to work (helicopter pilot)
I went for 5 weeks before I got around to getting a MRI and operation.
Then months of painful therapy.


The second time and third time was on a horse. First of last year.

A Jack Rabbit spooked my neighbor's horse, which spooked my horse.
I grabbed the saddle horn, with my right hand to keep from being thrown.
Tore my right shoulder but I didn't think it was bad (it was).

When I unsaddled the horse I let the saddle roll to the left to favor my right shoulder.
I guess because of the weight and angle, when the weight hit my left shoulder it sounded like little bones breaking in my left shoulder.
It put me on my knees again.

A few days later, before I went to the Doctor, my neighbor had a horse fall on him breaking his pelvis and putting him in bed.

Since I was the only one that could/would take care of his horses it was almost three months before I got the MRI and the first operation on my left shoulder. Then a couple more months before the operation on my right shoulder.

Of course delaying the surgery for months was a bad thing and caused me a lot of pain, but sometimes you got to do what you got to do.

Now I still can't hold a pistol out Left handed but being 75 years old probably slows the healing process to.


Sorry for the long off subject post but it might help a shooter avoid a shoulder tear interfering with their shooting.



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[Teachu2]

I don't think pushups will tear your RC. From what I've seen it takes a sudden hard yank on your shoulder.

The first time, 1995, I was hooking up a heavy trailer to the tractor. The trailer spun, pulling my left arm across to the right. I could feel the RC tear. I had the mental image of tearing a piece of raw meat apart. Bad pain, it put me on my knees.
A half hour later I was shooting, right handed, I couldn't move my right shoulder.
In two weeks, although it hurt, I was able to move my left arm enough to go back to work (helicopter pilot)
I went for 5 weeks before I got around to getting a MRI and operation.
Then months of painful therapy.


The second time and third time was on a horse. First of last year.

A Jack Rabbit spooked my neighbor's horse, which spooked my horse.
I grabbed the saddle horn, with my right hand to keep from being thrown.
Tore my right shoulder but I didn't think it was bad (it was).

When I unsaddled the horse I let the saddle roll to the left to favor my right shoulder.
I guess because of the weight and angle, when the weight hit my left shoulder it sounded like little bones breaking in my left shoulder.
It put me on my knees again.

A few days later, before I went to the Doctor, my neighbor had a horse fall on him breaking his pelvis and putting him in bed.

Since I was the only one that could/would take care of his horses it was almost three months before I got the MRI and the first operation on my left shoulder. Then a couple more months before the operation on my right shoulder.

Of course delaying the surgery for months was a bad thing and caused me a lot of pain, but sometimes you got to do what you got to do.

Now I still can't hold a pistol out Left handed but being 75 years old probably slows the healing process to.


Sorry for the long off subject post but it might help a shooter avoid a shoulder tear interfering with their shooting.



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Just one of the reasons I'll never own another horse!

 

[Orion8472]

Okay, guys, . . . I went to the range with both guns, yesterday, . . . and I made the decision as to which one went in my carry holster. I loaded them both up, placed two targets up then shot them. Did this several times. Both handled and shot well. No issues between either of them. But when it was all done, . . . the shield ended up in the carry holster. I felt that the trigger feel was more comfortable, as was the handle [overall]. Also, by the end of the session, my last grouping was by far the best with the Shield.

Bitter sweet, really. The XDs looks SO much better, but it isn't about looks in this game. So, begrudgingly, . . . the XDs will be sold. I don't need both and really should sell it to put towards another car [eventually].

Thanks for the comments.

 

[Tommygunn]

The first time, 1995, I was hooking up a heavy trailer to the tractor. The trailer spun, pulling my left arm across to the right. I could feel the RC tear. I had the mental image of tearing a piece of raw meat apart. Bad pain, it put me on my knees.
A half hour later I was shooting, right handed, I couldn't move my left shoulder.
In two weeks, although it hurt, I was able to move my left arm enough to go back to work (helicopter pilot)

"Pull up on the collective, M2.... NOW would be a good time to pull up on the collective ... couldja pleeeeeeaaazzze pull up on the --" *SPLAT!* ~~Imaginary conversation with M2 Carbine, chopper pilot with bad left shoulder.

Sorry 'bout that, M2, a bit off topic. Hope you don't mind -- and hope your shoulder is better.

 

[Fatdaddy]

You have chosen...wisely.

 

[David E]

The Shield trigger will smooth out after 200-300 rounds

Why not just dry fire it 200-300 times? It'll save 200-300 rds of ammo

 

[verdun59]

Well i recently got a shield and seem to cursed with the low and left syndrome that have read about. I've gotten a little better but to look at my target is to behold a shotgun pattern. I've been considering the XDS since I own a XD9 which I can shoot quite accurately, so I find your test to be informative. So far the Shield has not lived up to it's hype with me, but before I buy ONE MORE gun I'll just have to keep trying ...... damn expensive testing.

 

[KTXdm9]

Why not just dry fire it 200-300 times? It'll save 200-300 rds of ammo

Because shooting 200-300 rounds is more fun??

 

[KTXdm9]

Well i recently got a shield and seem to cursed with the low and left syndrome that have read about. I've gotten a little better but to look at my target is to behold a shotgun pattern. I've been considering the XDS since I own a XD9 which I can shoot quite accurately, so I find your test to be informative. So far the Shield has not lived up to it's hype with me, but before I buy ONE MORE gun I'll just have to keep trying ...... damn expensive testing.

There's always an adjustment period with a new pistol, for me at least. Low and left is usually a "syndrome" associated with the shooter, not the pistol. Try more dry firing practice or mixing in snap caps at the range to see if you are flinching/slapping the trigger.

 

[Orion8472]

Fatdaddy, . . . . . . . . . NICE!!!

verdun, my patterns were wider with both at the beginning, but it was the Shield that I was able to bring the pattern in with better. But these are small guns not really setup for target shooting. Yet, at the same time, you DO need it to hit close to where you're wanting it to go, so yeah, it gets expensive trying to find the one that will work for you. . . . . . spending a lot of money on ammo to accomplish this.

If you're good with your full size XD, . . . you'd probably be good with the XDs. At least the trigger should be similar.

 

[Pilot]

"Pull up on the collective, M2.... NOW would be a good time to pull up on the collective ... couldja pleeeeeeaaazzze pull up on the --" *SPLAT!* ~~Imaginary conversation with M2 Carbine, chopper pilot with bad left shoulder.

Sorry 'bout that, M2, a bit off topic. Hope you don't mind -- and hope your shoulder is better.

That's why I only fly fixed wing. Don't think I'll be flying the collection of randomly moving parts.

I rented a Shield last week at a local range, and liked it a lot. I am not much of a polymer fan, nor especially a fan of S&W autos, but you can't argue that the Shield is a slick little pistol. I am also considering the XDs, and the Walther PPS. I may go back next week, and rent the PPS as they don't have a XDs for rental.

 

[LUCKYDAWG13]

i just like the fact that the XDs does not have a safety on it
pull point bang

 

[gym]

I had both, sold the shield. I would rather have 6 or 8 rounds of 45.