Will Installing New Hand/Spring Fix Out of Time H&R Revolver?
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Well the truth is maybe .
I have to assume when you talk about out of time you are refering to change up of the cylinder to the locking lug. If the hand does not bring the cylinder rotation to the point where the locking lug drops into the slot in the cylinder that would mean you have short change up.
Sometimes a new hand if it fits tighter into the slot and is a little longer the problem will be fixed. There are of course other factors to be considered including wear on the extracter lugs.
A bit more detail on what you are refering to as timing will help clarify your issue.
I have to assume when you talk about out of time you are refering to change up of the cylinder to the locking lug. If the hand does not bring the cylinder rotation to the point where the locking lug drops into the slot in the cylinder that would mean you have short change up.
Sometimes a new hand if it fits tighter into the slot and is a little longer the problem will be fixed. There are of course other factors to be considered including wear on the extracter lugs.
A bit more detail on what you are refering to as timing will help clarify your issue.
Cylinder doesn't always line up with barrel during cycling in single action. So I slowly cycled it and noticed that the hammer will lock before the cylinder does.
I'm hoping the hand or spring is worn/weak and a new one ($10) will fix it (after I find out how to take it apart).
I'm hoping the hand or spring is worn/weak and a new one ($10) will fix it (after I find out how to take it apart).
H&R calls the hand the "lever"; the "lifter" is the part that pushes the hammer back in double action firing.
"...as simple as replacing the hand and spring with a new one..." Quite possibly, but since you use the word "simple" I assume you have not worked on many H&R revolvers. The job is not very simple and, depending on the age of the gun, can be difficult and frustrating.
Also, the ratchet on most H&R's is shallow, and wears easily; it is often ratchet wear, rather than a lever problem that causes a revolver to be out of time.
Jim
"...as simple as replacing the hand and spring with a new one..." Quite possibly, but since you use the word "simple" I assume you have not worked on many H&R revolvers. The job is not very simple and, depending on the age of the gun, can be difficult and frustrating.
Also, the ratchet on most H&R's is shallow, and wears easily; it is often ratchet wear, rather than a lever problem that causes a revolver to be out of time.
Jim
I have the same problem and cannot find anyone locally who will work on this. Do you have a disassembly procedure because it does not appear that simple?
There is a lot of mechanics on that trigger assembly and probably a certain sequence taking it apart. Before you drive those pins you better have a plan.
There is a lot of mechanics on that trigger assembly and probably a certain sequence taking it apart. Before you drive those pins you better have a plan.
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Radocy Takedown Guides - Detailed disassembly instructions
They offer model specific guides at a modest cost, and used ones can also be found on ebay . If your going into the gun I recommend you purchase a book of some nature to guide you. Well worth the expense.
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What I called extractor lugs in my first post is the same as what Jim mentioned as a ratchet - which is probably a more correct universal name for that part.
They offer model specific guides at a modest cost, and used ones can also be found on ebay . If your going into the gun I recommend you purchase a book of some nature to guide you. Well worth the expense.
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What I called extractor lugs in my first post is the same as what Jim mentioned as a ratchet - which is probably a more correct universal name for that part.
I just looked and didn't see H&R pistols on the list of Radocy pamplets.
So, you may have to go to one of the larger manuals that cover a number of makes and models. Gun Digest, NRA are a couple that come to mind.
Do a search on Firearm assembly , or firearm disassembly books and you will be able to find what you need. I think Gun Digest put out a series of books covering pistols, shotguns, rifles, each book covering one catigory. They can be found on ebay for under $15 used.
So, you may have to go to one of the larger manuals that cover a number of makes and models. Gun Digest, NRA are a couple that come to mind.
Do a search on Firearm assembly , or firearm disassembly books and you will be able to find what you need. I think Gun Digest put out a series of books covering pistols, shotguns, rifles, each book covering one catigory. They can be found on ebay for under $15 used.
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What model specifically? I have a few incomplete H&R pull pin solid frame guns for parts, and I may have a spare hand/lifter.
Its a Model 632 (the pull-pin) in .32S&W Long.
So I'm taking it that it's either the hand (lever) or the ratchet (which appears to be an integral part of the cylinder) that is most likely causing the timing issue?
I'm going to check the library to see if they have a guide on these guns. I know years ago they had a number of gunsmithing books, hopefully they didn't get rid of them.
The gun has sentimental value to me, and it'd be a joy to get it working again.
So I'm taking it that it's either the hand (lever) or the ratchet (which appears to be an integral part of the cylinder) that is most likely causing the timing issue?
I'm going to check the library to see if they have a guide on these guns. I know years ago they had a number of gunsmithing books, hopefully they didn't get rid of them.
The gun has sentimental value to me, and it'd be a joy to get it working again.
If you consult a book or video on disassembly of H&R revolvers, make sure it has re-assembly instructions, not just "reassemble in reverse." Reassembling H&R's requires use of a "slave pin" (the politically correct now call it a "helper pin") and some experience, other wise you end up with a gun no one wants to put back together.
Jim
PS and FWIW, H&R changed their hand and hand spring system several times, so if you order a hand and spring from a parts house, make sure you provide the model number and serial number and, if possible, a drawing or picture of the old part.
JK
Jim
PS and FWIW, H&R changed their hand and hand spring system several times, so if you order a hand and spring from a parts house, make sure you provide the model number and serial number and, if possible, a drawing or picture of the old part.
JK
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