Are there any .32 H&R Magnum revolvers currently being manufactured

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Are there any .32 H&R Magnum revolvers currently manufactured (or plentiful old guns) available ?:confused:

I have an H&R Premier in .32 S&W (short), but think it is underpowered. Would like one in .32 H&R Magnum, but don't know of any currently manufactured (and believe too powerful for that gun design).
 
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I own an S&W I frame, a 22LR Model 34, of the type that's the subject of this thread. I thought it might be interesting to compare it to a Keltec P32.

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The S&W is somewhat bigger than the Keltec in profile. The Keltec is about the length of the S&W frame. Even with a snub nose the S&W would be longer.

The I frame window is 1.5 inches long. It would be a tight squeeze to fit a 327 Federal Mag in one. The 32 Long or 32 ACP would fit.

There is a significant difference in width.

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Due to the cylinder width the S&W is a lot wider, an inch and a half vs. 3/4 inch for the Keltec.

The biggest difference is weight. The Keltec unloaded with magazine weighs 8 ounces. The S&W unloaded weighs a pound and a half, which is three times as much. Now there is room to lighten the S&W; if the barrel and chambers were opened to 32 caliber and the barrel were shorter and it was made with alloy / plastic it could be a lot lighter, maybe enough to get the weight down to a pound.

In which case it would only weigh twice as much.

IMO the only reason to use a cartridge in the 32 ACP class for defense is if you need a gun you can really conceal. That's much easier with a semiauto than a revolver. I can easily conceal the Keltec in a shirt pocket. There's no 32 caliber revolver that can do that.
 
Are there any .32 H&R Magnum revolvers currently manufactured (or plentiful old guns) available ?:confused:

I have an H&R Premier in .32 S&W (short), but think it is underpowered. Would like one in .32 H&R Magnum, but don't know of any currently manufactured (and believe too powerful for that gun design).
Revolvers like the H&R Premier (in particular, double-action revolvers of that general size) are no longer manufactured by anyone. That was the original poster's comment.

You are right that the H&R Premier is neither large nor strong enough to handle H&R 32 Magnum. That cartridge is about as long as 38 Special, and can actually develop higher pressure. The Premier type revolvers were only made for 22 rimfire and 32 S&W, which is a very low powered cartridge.

Revolvers of this general size have been replaced by small automatic pistols, which offer more shots of more powerful cartridges, a flatter shape, faster reloads, and reduced cost of manufacture. The manufacturing cost is lower for small automatic pistols compared to small revolvers because they permit greater use of high-strength plastics.

(If you read the preceding thread, you will find that everything I have said here is the subject of intense debate, which I do not mean to re-ignite, since it would involve a great deal of repetition.)

PS - This thread was originally part of a much longer one dating back to May 2014. That is the "original poster" I meant above.

PS - as Tallball points out below, 32 H&R Magnum revolvers were also made by a company called New England Firearms (NEF). This was a new name for H&R after it went bankrupt. Their revolvers were the same as the H&R models, but will be listed under the NEF name, of course.

32 Magnum revolvers are available, used and new, on a variety of internet websites, such as Gunbroker.com, Gunauction.com, Gunamerica.com, and so on. None of them are particularly cheap, because the cartridge never became widely popular, so the guns are scarce enough for collectors to keep the prices up. The H&R revolvers made for 32 Magnum were decent guns, and may be the cheapest used guns for it, but they were five-shot pistols just as bulky and heavy as a five shot 38 Special revolver, which was precisely the reason 32 Magnum did not catch on, IMO. For personal defense, it did not offer anything that 38 Special and 38 Special +P did not, and was expensive and hard to find. (To be fair, revolvers made by S&W and Ruger that were five shot in 38 Special were six shot in 32 Magnum, but that was not advantage enough to make a big difference.)

For small game hunting and target shooting (by handloaders) it did have something to offer, and those are the niches it survives in today, as far as I can tell.

Charter Arms revolvers are probably the least expensive available new in 32 Magnum. I don't know anything about them myself, and opinions about them seem to vary widely.

I like both 32 Long and 32 Magnum. I own a number of 32 Long revolvers, and one in 32 Magnum. 32 Long is probably my favorite cartridge to shoot. But it would not occur to me to tell anyone to buy a gun in either caliber for self-defense. 22 rimfire is much cheaper, which encourages practice, and is a better choice if minimal size and recoil are desired. 38 Special +P is more powerful and much easier to find (and also somewhat cheaper) if power is a consideration. And the compact semi-autos I mentioned above, in 25 ACP, 32 ACP, and 380 ACP, offer a variety of options in-between.

Once again, these are just my thoughts, from which many will differ. I hope they are helpful to you.
 
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I will jump onto this old thread because of my recent experiences. My wife, mother-in-law, and daughter all got interested in shooting lately. Two have damaged hands or wrists, and one is only ten years old. They can all shoot 22's fine, and various 32's, but 380 or 38 is too much.

They all like my FEG PP clone in 32acp, but feel more comfortable with revolvers. And 32 H&R and 327 magnum are effective rounds, so I found them some revolvers. It wasn't super easy. Since a used $500 - $900 S&W or Ruger was out of the price range, I had to shop around. Over the course of six months or so I found them four small framed 32 H&R revolvers that were reasonably priced: two old NEF's, a Taurus, and a Charter Arms. All of them have been reliable so far after hundreds of rounds apiece. (If the wife or MiL was actually going to carry something, I would spend the money and get them a S&W, but these are realistcally just for plinking.)

All I could find new were Charter Arms in 32 H&R or Ruger single actions in 327 magnum. If you don't like Charter Arms and don't want a single action, then you have to find one used. A good deal on the Charter Arms is maybe $369 and the Ruger about $500. Neither is easy to find in person, you have to get lucky at a gunshow, or look at GB online. And the funny thing about used ones is that being in 32 H&R or 327 magnum seems to make them significantly more valuable than the same gun in 38.

I agree with the OP that a good quality small 32 H&R magnum for a modest price would be an excellent choice for a lot of people. Unfortunately, no one seems very interested in manufacturing or selling them. Right now Charter Arms is the only one really addressing that niche market, and the demand must not be very large, because I see their 38's everywhere, but the 32's are somewhat rare.
 
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If you handload, you can safely increase the performance of .32 S&W Long to .32 H&R Magnum levels, if or when you are shooting the rounds in a Colt or S&W hand-ejector revolver rather then any top-break. This would include S&W I or J frames such as the 1903 Hand Ejector/Regulation Police models; and the Colt Police Positive in .32 Colt New Police.

Most factory ammunition and .32 S&W Long loading data is reduced because of the many top-break revolvers still left in circulation, some going back to the late 19th century.

Under no circumstance try to duplicate .327 Magnum performance or data. :eek:
 
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Whats wrong with the Ruger SP 101? The 3" .357 I carry CCW, is about as small as I want to go in this arena. If I wanted to go much smaller in frame size, it wouldn't be one of less cartridge size, whats the use of going smaller in caliber? If you're carrying for self defense, why give the schmuck the advantage?
 
Tallball, in your experience, does 32 Magnum have less felt recoil than 38 Special (standard velocity, not +p)? I don't have a 38 Special revolver comparable in weight to my only 32 Magnum, so I cannot compare directly.

I would ask about 38 Special wadcutter, but where I live (southeast Wisconsin), that has been impossible to find lately.

And 788Ham, the original poster was asking why there were no longer revolvers the size of the five-shot 32 S&W's and seven-shot 22s popular around 1900. The poster who restarted this thread was asking about an H&R Premier, which is an example of that type. Your Ruger is one or two sizes larger than that, and vastly stronger.
 
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I would think if a manufacturer were to come out with a modern small 5 shot .32 they would need to find a new way to market (advertise) it to the perceived buyers, most especially if they don't normally go to gun stores. Also, if one lacks the hand strength to rack a slide on an auto I wonder how the lack of mechanical advantage in such a small revolver would work out with a 12 lb + DA pull?
 
I have similarly sized revolvers in 38 special and 32 H&R. To me the 38 seems to have noticeably more recoil. The 32 S&W has little more recoil than a 22. A 32acp in the same revolver is more interesting, but not alarming. The 32 H&R feels sharper than the 32acp, but it's the same feeling only snappier. A 38 special out of a similar revolver has a recoil that is heavier than any of the 32's. It's not just a quick sharp feeling like the 32 H&R, it's more of an actual push against my hand.

I think that the first step in selling the revolver would be selling the caliber. If the general public understood that the 32 H&R can give results similar to a 380 or a mild 38 special, they would be willing to accept the caliber. After that, a small, five shot, well-made revolver in that caliber would pretty much sell itself. As long as people are taught to immediately reject any and every 32 caliber for self defense, revolvers in that caliber just won't sell very well. IMHO.
 
Thanks, Tallball. Going by the kinetic energy figures, I thought that 32 Magnum might actually have more felt recoil than 38 Special, but I know that to me, heavier bullets (like in 38 Special compared to 32 Magnum) always seem to have more felt recoil than the KE figures would suggest.
 
After attempting to launch the .327 - Taurus, S&W and Ruger gave up trying to sell DA .327 revolvers. As a result the S&W and Ruger revolvers in .327 all go for $700 and up when you can find them. The Taurii go for $500. All .327 production stopped in the Great Gun Panic of 2013 as every manufacturer concentrated on calibers with more demand. Recently Ruger brought back a SA 7 shot.

The .327 is damn significant recoil, nearly .357 levels and in a small frame revolver pretty much the same. But it does give you a small frame revolver with 6 shots and energies close to a .357.

I think both the .327 and .32H&R need a 3" barrel to get to speeds light projectiles need to deliver significant energy. Apparently both Ruger and S&W thought so for the .327 as that's what they produced.

H&R used to build the original .32 H&R revolvers as 6 shot. The problem was the round was pushing the limit of what they could do with their revolver design, and the 6 shot design mean the cylinder stop is carved into the area supporting the chamber. They are known for weakness because of this, and Buffalo Bore explicitly warns against using their hot .32H&R loads in a .32H&R gun! I found a NIB NEF revolver on Gun Broker snapped it up for a song, and it's proven to be a good gun. I noticed NEF changed the design to a 5 shot cylinder, removing the weakness in the cylinder.

I like .32s and will go on about them for hours or until my audience manages to escape....

The .32acp as speced in Europe is about 2kpsi more chamber pressure than in the SAAMI specs. I found a reference to the duty ammo Euro police used for .32acp (used very widely there for years) and it was 185ft/lbs. The typical stuff sold in the US, even by companies like Fiocchi, is about 120ft/lbs from a 4" barrel. I reverse engineered the round, and got a load right at this energy and the Euro pressure limit. Since my .32acp guns are an FEG and a CZ tested to higher proof pressures, I can safely shoot it. With that energy and small frontal area penetration should be up to self defense levels and 70 years of police usage in Europe testifies it works.
 
antiquus, all the 32 Magnum revolvers made by H&R and NEF that I ever saw were five shot guns. Could you point me to a six shot one? I am not saying you are wrong, just that you have seen things I have not. Thanks!
 
The SW 431, 432 and 632 line are the most recent revolvers from them. Sadly, they are out of production.
 
Going by the kinetic energy figures, I thought that 32 Magnum might actually have more felt recoil than 38 Special, but I know that to me, heavier bullets (like in 38 Special compared to 32 Magnum) always seem to have more felt recoil than the KE figures would suggest.

Recoil is based on momentum, not energy. The easiest way to compare is to calculate the "power factor" for the round: bullet weight * velocity / 1000.

If the guns all weigh the same, the power factor will be a decent comparison to recoil.
Typical 32 is 100 * 1050 / 1000 = 105
Typical 38 is 125 * 1035 / 1000 = 129 or 158 * 900 / 1000 = 142
A 38 +P will be higher.

Adding the weight of the powder would be more accurate, but in handgun cartridges, the powder weight is negligible compared to bullet weight. In a 22-250, powder weight can be more than the bullet weight.
 
Recently came into possesion of two very nice .32 H&R mag revolvers,S&W 631
(Lady Smith) and Taurus 741,basically J Frame size with 4 inch barrel.
Relatively hot loads are available in 85 and 100 grain configuration.
Where they really shine is 100 gr. SWC loaded as sparked up S&W Long,or another 150 to 250 fps out H&R revolver,Smith,Ruger,Taurus and possibly Charter( no experience).
Have found very good accuracy with both and 100 gr SWC 900-1050 fps formidible Kit gun and clearly way out ..32 ACP class for SD.
 
The .32 H&R mag was intially a round for a H&R revolver of limited strength.
Over the next several decades the round both in commercial,see Georgia Arms or in handloads became a significantly more potent round.
Specifically by any measure ie kinetic energy ,penetration,a 100 grain lead SWC or 90 grain HP at over 1000 fps is beyond loadings for .32 acp.
In lever guns not specifically pertnent in this thread, same round can achieve 1350-1500 FPS,more in line with old time ballistics of 32-20 rifle.
Unless I was worried about bear,as a trail gun the four inch barreled revolver properly loaded should suffice even if pressed into SD duty.
 
antiquus, all the 32 Magnum revolvers made by H&R and NEF that I ever saw were five shot guns. Could you point me to a six shot one? I am not saying you are wrong, just that you have seen things I have not. Thanks!

I can't find .32H&R on Gun Broker, but plenty of these:

http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=460705914

Check the position of the cylinder locks.

But you are saying the .32H&R was never made in a 6 shot by H&R - that might be - I may have been looking at the .32S&W same model number. The one I have is in fact an R73and looks exactly like a 732/733.
 
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The .32 H&R mag was intially a round for a H&R revolver of limited strength.
Over the next several decades the round both in commercial,see Georgia Arms or in handloads became a significantly more potent round.
Specifically by any measure ie kinetic energy ,penetration,a 100 grain lead SWC or 90 grain HP at over 1000 fps is beyond loadings for .32 acp.
In lever guns not specifically pertnent in this thread, same round can achieve 1350-1500 FPS,more in line with old time ballistics of 32-20 rifle.
Unless I was worried about bear,as a trail gun the four inch barreled revolver properly loaded should suffice even if pressed into SD duty.
Magic,

You will not get the energies I mentioned out of a 90 or 100gr bullet in .32acp and in fact bullet load that heavy in this chambering is about unknown. Loads don't seem to be available for it. But a 76gr lead bullet moving around 1050fps out of a 4" barrel doesn't seem to be pushing anything, Powley said it was right at the CIP (Euro) limit, and Quickload thought it was really under the Saami limits. The original load was a 77gr LRN.
 
Here are some that I have bought in the last year or so (from bottom to top):

The Charter Arms is still available brand-new, though not easy to find away from the Internet. I think cheaper than dirt has them for around $350. It works fine, but I don't care for the way it feels.

At first the FEG 32acp had a few problems with its magazines, but it feels great and shoots well. They are still being sold as surplus for $199.

The NEF is very accurate. I got it from GunBroker for $115.


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