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For the purpose of mixing lubes for conical bullets, is there a major difference between real bees wax and the stuff sold as bees wax toilet seals in the hardware store? I suspect there might be, but if someone knows for sure I'll go looking for a bee keeper.
 
I've read from other folks that new toilet seals are no longer beeswax, or at least not pure beeswax. Dick Dastardly, maker of Pearl Lube, no longer uses toilet seals as a base for his product for that reason.
 
They are junk use at your own risk. Mostly from what i remember are petroleum by products which is a no no for black powder.
 
You guys are absolutely correct. After Pulp said what he did, I went searching into how they were made, and what they were made with? They're made from everything but beeswax. So I guess I'll have to find me a bee keeper. Or maybe a candle shop?
But thanks for the help.
 
I made a batch of my Gatofeo No. 1 Bullet Lubricant one day, with the artificial beeswax. It didn't work nearly as well as the real stuff. I tossed it.
It hurt to toss it too, because it's difficult to find real mutton tallow. No other tallow works as well as mutton tallow, in my experience.
Beeswax is getting more difficult to find too, but you can often find it at Renaissance Fairs and Rendezvous events. I've found it at craft and jewelry expositions too, but they want too much for a tiny, lil' cake.
Call your county extension office and find out who rides herd on bees in your area. Beekeepers may sell it inexpensively; I'm told that for most of them it's a by-product and not their main money-maker.
The days of going to the hardware store, and buy an honest-to-god beeswax seal for your toilet, are long gone I'm afraid.
Others who used the phony beeswax have reported to me that their lubricant was lumpy and decidedly inferior.
Beware of beeswax candles. They are often cut with paraffin so they don't run and drip so much. So, for measuring purposes, you wouldn't be getting the pure beeswax.
At the moment I have plenty of beeswax so I haven't been looking. At one time, I made a good deal on a bread-loaf sized chunk on Ebay. So, check auction sites.
The only source I know of for mutton tallow is Dixie Gun Works, by the way. Fortunately, a little of my lubricant goes a long way. It works great for felt wads, shotgun wads, patches and lead bullets when using black powder. I've even used it for low-velocity (under 1,000 fps) pistol bullets over smokeless powder.

That recipe again is:
Gatofeo No. 1 Black Powder Lubricant
1 part mutton tallow
1 part canning paraffin -- the kind used to seal canned preserves
1/2 part beeswax
All measurements are by weight.
Do NOT vary from these specific ingredients or quality will suffer. Trust me folks, others and I have substituted but nothing works like canning paraffin, real beeswax and mutton tallow.
 
I made up a batch during the summer i am still using. i went to michaels arts and crafts and bought a 1lbs brick of pure beeswax. then i melted 1/2 of it in a pot. then added about 40% olive oil.. Then stirred in. i tried lanolin as recomended on other sites. but found it does not break up just stays as a glob and does not mix with the beeswax and oil. Then i pour it in a tupperware container. When i need it i heat it up and use it in the container. Then when im done i just cover it up and put it away. As for performance. I LIKE IT. seems to work very good very little to no fouling so this is what im going to use
 
I made a batch of lube many years ago using a toilet wax ring that I am still using. It works just fine.

I used one wax ring and an equal amount of crisco and melted it together. It was a little softer than I wanted so I added a small amount of paraffin wax to stiffen it a little. I have been using this for close to 10 years now with no problems.

I also use water soluable oil with water of coarse for a cleaning solution and patch lube. I have been using this for around 10 years also. I have no rust in my bores and have not used the hot water through the barrel method since I started this.

I have been flamed here before for using these products. They work and work as well as anything you can buy over the counter. Anyone who says petroleum products will not work simply does not what they are talking about.

You can buy all the bees wax you want off of ebay. I just bought 6 pounds for $20 IIRC.
 
Gatofeo,
I am tempted to try mixing up your lube but I have DEER TALLOW rather than the mutton you are so in favor of. Do you know if they are about the same. I'd like to think so. As a kid in Montana we ate a lot of deer & elk and the tallow on the side of the dinner plate sure kept us from haveing chapped lips.
 
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