Will my new Ruger P90 evict my 1911?
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Shooter973
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I have a couple of these good handguns. They might not be the best looking guns, but they really perform. Mine are good if not great shooters, but they are exceptionally reliable. A friend at work was raving about his P90 and I didn't quite believe all he was saying. He said it would feed an empty case right out of the mag. I tried it with one of mine
, load a couple of live rounds, then an empty case, then finish loading the mag,.,
It fed the empty case with out a bobble. Tried this a couple more time having someone else load the mag. And it still fed the empty just fine. You can't beat that for reliable feeding.
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I have a couple of these good handguns. They might not be the best looking guns, but they really perform. Mine are good if not great shooters, but they are exceptionally reliable. A friend at work was raving about his P90 and I didn't quite believe all he was saying. He said it would feed an empty case right out of the mag. I tried it with one of mine
, load a couple of live rounds, then an empty case, then finish loading the mag,.,
It fed the empty case with out a bobble. Tried this a couple more time having someone else load the mag. And it still fed the empty just fine. You can't beat that for reliable feeding.
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JeeperCreeper
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Well it seems I chose well with what everyone said!!!
I took it on a quick range trip yesterday, and sent about 30 rounds downrange. I can say this: it is dumb accurate, it shoots softer than some of my 9mms, and it corrects shooting form because if you limp wrist it, you will catch an empty casing to the forehead.
I fed it a magazine of Hornady Critical Duty +P to see how she likes it, and it shot the same as the Federal Champions I was plinking with. Normally the cone shaped bullets with rubber tips give some Autos a hard time on the feeding ramp (even my HiPoint doesn't like them hahaha), but the P90 ran perfect. It seems every new gun I get is now my "favorite gun".
I still need to do a 1911 vs P90 range session, but thats for when it stops freezing raining around here...
I took it on a quick range trip yesterday, and sent about 30 rounds downrange. I can say this: it is dumb accurate, it shoots softer than some of my 9mms, and it corrects shooting form because if you limp wrist it, you will catch an empty casing to the forehead.
I fed it a magazine of Hornady Critical Duty +P to see how she likes it, and it shot the same as the Federal Champions I was plinking with. Normally the cone shaped bullets with rubber tips give some Autos a hard time on the feeding ramp (even my HiPoint doesn't like them hahaha), but the P90 ran perfect. It seems every new gun I get is now my "favorite gun".
I still need to do a 1911 vs P90 range session, but thats for when it stops freezing raining around here...
TimboKhan
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A couple of people hit on the thing that I liked best about it, and that was the incredible reliability. That thing would feed rocks, man.
I can truthfully say that I never had a problem with the gun that was strictly the guns fault. I did have to replace the spring after the first 100000 or so rounds, and as I alluded to earlier, I had pretty much shot the barrel out. At its best, was among the most accurate semi auto pistols I have ever owned, once it was worn in it was better than average, but after that barrel went, it was on the verge of having unserviceable combat-type accuracy. That's not an indictment on the gun. I ran that baby hard, including a several thousand round torture test that ended only when I got bored with it (no cleaning at all in that period, zero failures except for a couple of bad rounds that were not the guns fault). I can truthfully say that in the period in owned it, I probably shot 150000 rounds through it. I even carried it from time to time with no problems!
I shoot a Ruger 1911 now and I like 1911's a lot, but at some point I will own another P90. It's just too good of a pistol not to own one. Personal preferences aside, from an accuracy and reliability standpoint, I think the P90 is the better pistol in general. Obviously there are some finely tuned 1911's out there that would smoke it in either or both categories, but if you take the average 1911 and the average p90, I know which one I would choose.
I can truthfully say that I never had a problem with the gun that was strictly the guns fault. I did have to replace the spring after the first 100000 or so rounds, and as I alluded to earlier, I had pretty much shot the barrel out. At its best, was among the most accurate semi auto pistols I have ever owned, once it was worn in it was better than average, but after that barrel went, it was on the verge of having unserviceable combat-type accuracy. That's not an indictment on the gun. I ran that baby hard, including a several thousand round torture test that ended only when I got bored with it (no cleaning at all in that period, zero failures except for a couple of bad rounds that were not the guns fault). I can truthfully say that in the period in owned it, I probably shot 150000 rounds through it. I even carried it from time to time with no problems!
I shoot a Ruger 1911 now and I like 1911's a lot, but at some point I will own another P90. It's just too good of a pistol not to own one. Personal preferences aside, from an accuracy and reliability standpoint, I think the P90 is the better pistol in general. Obviously there are some finely tuned 1911's out there that would smoke it in either or both categories, but if you take the average 1911 and the average p90, I know which one I would choose.
Blue Brick
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I am here...now what...? I love the P90 and I own a JHP.
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JeeperCreeper
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Looks like I'm going to have to do a 1911 vs P90 vs HiPoint test today at the range then!!!
TfflHndn
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I have both a P90 and several 1911s, and I agree that the P90 is perhaps the most reliable, eat-anything pistol I own. It has been my house gun for many years. I have one 1911 that is more accurate and others that are as accurate, but the P90 is just a durable beast, and easy to take down for cleaning. It works. Every time.
splattergun
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love 'em both!
I don't think they're mutually exclusive! You don't have to abandon your good ol' reliable 1911 to make room in your heart for the P90. There are things you will like about both.
I recently added a 1911 to my semi-auto lineup, and it sets right next to my P89 (same as p90, only 9mm) and they both get their turn.
They won't get jealous of each other, I promise!
I don't think they're mutually exclusive! You don't have to abandon your good ol' reliable 1911 to make room in your heart for the P90. There are things you will like about both.
I recently added a 1911 to my semi-auto lineup, and it sets right next to my P89 (same as p90, only 9mm) and they both get their turn.
They won't get jealous of each other, I promise!
Blue Brick
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Update??
My 4566 has rapidly ascended to the top of my .45 list.
It feeds empty brass, as well as any projectile I care to feed it.
It's accurate and reliable and feels great in my hands.
I almost bought a P90 many years ago, but it didn't feel right in my hands.
They are very reliable guns. Massad Ayoob spoke highly of them.
The 4566, Star M45 Firestar, and EAA Witness .45 have all been 100% reliable for me, and easily as accurate as the 1911s I've owned (still own a 4.25").
I'm glad you're happy with your P90, as they're too good to be relegated to the dustbin of gun history.
It feeds empty brass, as well as any projectile I care to feed it.
It's accurate and reliable and feels great in my hands.
I almost bought a P90 many years ago, but it didn't feel right in my hands.
They are very reliable guns. Massad Ayoob spoke highly of them.
The 4566, Star M45 Firestar, and EAA Witness .45 have all been 100% reliable for me, and easily as accurate as the 1911s I've owned (still own a 4.25").
I'm glad you're happy with your P90, as they're too good to be relegated to the dustbin of gun history.
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Ruger P90
I have a 1911 45acp as well a P90 I love them both as well as my S&W 1917 and a LLama Fire Star. All are very good,my P90 is just great I like it the most.
I have a 1911 45acp as well a P90 I love them both as well as my S&W 1917 and a LLama Fire Star. All are very good,my P90 is just great I like it the most.
fastbolt
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The P90/KP90's were great .45's. Hard to beat, if you don't mind rather large frame, single stacks with traditional double action (DA/SA) triggers.
I bought one back when the KP90DC (stainless, decock-only) model was new. I initially had to return it because of a weird galling problem, with the hammer gouging the bottom of the pick-up rail. Ruger replaced the slide, saying it had been caused by an unrecognized heat treat problem.
I ran the gun long and hard for many years. It was robust, decently accurate and as reliable as I could ever expect.
I eventually had to replace some assorted parts over the years (extractor, firing pin, mag catch, a couple of guide rods). One of the folks from Ruger once jokingly told me that I'd used mine hard enough that I ought to consider replacing it with a new one.
They eventually bumped up the tension of the recoil spring for the P90 (it was originally the same as that used in the P85/89), but that was also back in the days when I experimented with some different recoil springs, as I was using some stout +P loads from time to time back then. I even tried a P91 recoil spring (the factory sent me one to try), but it was too strong for regular pressure loads. I either got empties against my head or the slide short-stroked at times.
I ordered some new magazines after they'd revised them to allow loading 8 rounds. I don't particular care for the folded-leaf follower and short spring used to let the 8th round fit in the mag, myself, but I do rather like the added dimple pressed into the mag lips.
I was told by someone at the factory that they'd added the mag lips after studying their P97, and considering the number of their customers who were apparently using a lot of hard-recoiling +P loads. The gentleman said the newly added dimples helped prevent the top round from being displaced under the recoil of the harder kicking loads (forward, jumping out from under the mag lips).
I used the new mag bodies (added to my more than 15+ other older P90 mags), but with old style followers and springs, so they're back to being 7-rd mags.
I still own that KP90DC, and even take it to the range now and again to run it through a qual course of fire and do some training drills with it. Nice example of an older aluminum-framed single stack TDA.
Personally, I think it was a mistake for Ruger to stop production of the P90's, just like I regret S&W halting commercial production of the 3rd gen's. Oh well. Time and progress march on ... and everyone seems to want a plastic gun.
I never cared for the P97 I tried on our range (belonging to a retired guy), nor did I care for the P345 I idly picked up to handle on display in a store some years ago. I'll keep my P90DC (and continue to hang onto the small collection of spare parts I collected over the years).
It never replaced my 1911's, but it's a great metal .45 pistol.
BTW, I've known a handful of guys who carried P90's as either off-duty weapons or private citizen CCW's, and they were all, as I recall, fairly impressed and well pleased with their choices. Not a commonly seen gun, anymore, but still a good one.
Congrats.
Just my thoughts.
I bought one back when the KP90DC (stainless, decock-only) model was new. I initially had to return it because of a weird galling problem, with the hammer gouging the bottom of the pick-up rail. Ruger replaced the slide, saying it had been caused by an unrecognized heat treat problem.
I ran the gun long and hard for many years. It was robust, decently accurate and as reliable as I could ever expect.
I eventually had to replace some assorted parts over the years (extractor, firing pin, mag catch, a couple of guide rods). One of the folks from Ruger once jokingly told me that I'd used mine hard enough that I ought to consider replacing it with a new one.
They eventually bumped up the tension of the recoil spring for the P90 (it was originally the same as that used in the P85/89), but that was also back in the days when I experimented with some different recoil springs, as I was using some stout +P loads from time to time back then. I even tried a P91 recoil spring (the factory sent me one to try), but it was too strong for regular pressure loads. I either got empties against my head or the slide short-stroked at times.
I ordered some new magazines after they'd revised them to allow loading 8 rounds. I don't particular care for the folded-leaf follower and short spring used to let the 8th round fit in the mag, myself, but I do rather like the added dimple pressed into the mag lips.
I was told by someone at the factory that they'd added the mag lips after studying their P97, and considering the number of their customers who were apparently using a lot of hard-recoiling +P loads. The gentleman said the newly added dimples helped prevent the top round from being displaced under the recoil of the harder kicking loads (forward, jumping out from under the mag lips).
I used the new mag bodies (added to my more than 15+ other older P90 mags), but with old style followers and springs, so they're back to being 7-rd mags.
I still own that KP90DC, and even take it to the range now and again to run it through a qual course of fire and do some training drills with it. Nice example of an older aluminum-framed single stack TDA.
Personally, I think it was a mistake for Ruger to stop production of the P90's, just like I regret S&W halting commercial production of the 3rd gen's. Oh well. Time and progress march on ... and everyone seems to want a plastic gun.
I never cared for the P97 I tried on our range (belonging to a retired guy), nor did I care for the P345 I idly picked up to handle on display in a store some years ago. I'll keep my P90DC (and continue to hang onto the small collection of spare parts I collected over the years).
It never replaced my 1911's, but it's a great metal .45 pistol.
BTW, I've known a handful of guys who carried P90's as either off-duty weapons or private citizen CCW's, and they were all, as I recall, fairly impressed and well pleased with their choices. Not a commonly seen gun, anymore, but still a good one.
Congrats.
Just my thoughts.
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Blue Brick
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Here is mine...
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I still have my P90DC and a 1911. The 1911 is my play gun (SA Range Officer), the P90DC is the home defense firearm.
Years ago I accidentally loaded 100 rounds using rifle primers which have harder cups. 95% went off on the first strike, the other 5% on a DA restrike.
I'm not a fan of DA/SA for sport but for sudden defense, it is perfect.
Years ago I accidentally loaded 100 rounds using rifle primers which have harder cups. 95% went off on the first strike, the other 5% on a DA restrike.
I'm not a fan of DA/SA for sport but for sudden defense, it is perfect.
Omaha-BeenGlockin
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The P90 will likely be more accurate than a run of mill 1911.
You can decock the hammer on the P90 unlike having to keep it cocked like a 1911 to be in a "ready" state.
The mag release on the P90 is a standard straight push button---unlike all the other P series guns which use a slide push button. Neither is particularly better than the other, just learn to use what you have.
You can decock the hammer on the P90 unlike having to keep it cocked like a 1911 to be in a "ready" state.
The mag release on the P90 is a standard straight push button---unlike all the other P series guns which use a slide push button. Neither is particularly better than the other, just learn to use what you have.
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JeeperCreeper
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Sorry for the delay, took my 3 .45's to the range today. I was shooting standing offhand at soda cans and paper targets at approximately 7 to 10 yards depending on where I was standing.
The P90 ran flawlessly, no malfunctions and it was by far the most accurate in my hands. When it came to shooting soda cans as fast as I could, there were "many holes in the tin", so to speak. It points so naturally and once I got used to the trigger, I just love shooting it. I don't feel that way about many of my pistols. The 1911 did OK, it was not as fast to point for me, not sure why as the ergos are similar to the P90, but I never had a love affair with 1911s. It groups really well, but I struggled to hit cans when I shot at the same tempo as the P90. I also took out m HiPoint. For $150, it gets the job done. Not overly accurate, but for a range beater, it works. Really not in an league for comparison, but it has never jammed so it is worth mentioning since I threw it in to compare for kicks and giggles.
In the end, for me personally, the P90 replaces my ParaP14 1911. I have my P14 for sale, because it really doesn't do it for me and I can't see myself shooting it with the P90 in my gun safe.
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