Will Suppressors ever become legal and popular in the US?

[FuzzyBunny]

"I would love to see silencers, full autos, SBRs sold as regular firearms however my fear is that a few bad incidents and they then become completely unatainable. One idiot uses one to take out a McDonalds, a bunch of "i told you so's" and then nobody gets one."
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This is a very sad statement!
Not because you presented that logic but because Citizens and politicians would see this as a valid arguement!

This is my thinking and to me seems very logical and lawful. The Second amendment should be the law of the land and every Federal gun law slapped down. The decision (if any) should be at the state level. Shall Not Be Infringed should be the order of the day in Wash D.C.

I am not saying this to start trouble but I really do wonder where the fed gov thinks they get the right to even think about passing any gun laws they have since 1900. I am not a legal historian but sometimes when I sit on my porch with a dram of sipping whiskey I think of things like this and wish I knew more.

Ignorance is not bliss, it is disconcerting!

Seems the more I learn, the more I realize I do not know.

 

[BellyUpFish]

I guess you got the answer, and once you have one you'll not want to shoot without it ever.

+1..

I need a decent can for 5.56 and 7.62..

I love my .22 can..

 

[ErikO]

MO is a good state for shooting sports enthusiasts. Now to get the $1000+ together to get a can or two...

Stupid prices. I wonder how much aggrivation I can handle, becoming a manufacturer looks better and better....

 

[Greg528iT]

I have shot many .45s with suppressors (legal) and it is a real joy not to have to wear "ears".

Are they really that quiet? I looked up a suppressor noise reduction sight. various calibers various bullets. A 150db open shot would be reduced to 115db ish range. 115 db says to me.. I'd still be wearing ears.

 

[BoilerUP]

While I doubt we'll ever be able to buy a suppressor cash and carry, I would be pleased if they were only subject to the same restrictions as handguns, plus the $200 stamp.

This.

While I'd rather not spend an extra $200 per NFA item, I really don't mind the tax; if you wanna play you have to pay. That being said, sure would be nice if you only had to undergo one full background check on your first NFA items, then with subsequent items a basic NICS check (or similar) could be done at the dealer.

Purchase the item, pay the tax, have the check run then carry it away in a single transaction at the point of sale.

In 2012, there's no reason this can't happen...except for politics.

 

[valnar]

I'd be happy if I could have one on my home defense gun, and if I ever needed to use it, it wouldn't be frowned upon by the lawyers, judge or jury. Public perception upsets me more than the tax.

It seems the only way you can healthily justify self-defense without prejudice is with a frying pan.

 

[LiquidTension]

Relative to two decades ago I'd say the ARE popular. All of the NFA toys are more popular now that inflation has eclipsed the cost of the stamp.

 

[Spec ops Grunt]

Well, lets just hope the .gov hasn't noticed that the tax stamp hasn't been adjusted for inflation.

 

[CoRoMo]

...inflation has eclipsed the cost of the stamp.

I agree. A $200 stamp is not what it used to be. There are a handful of .22 suppressors that cost less than the stamp, which means gun enthusiasts can jump into the NFA pool for the price of a LOW COST firearm.

When a decent rifle, shotgun, or even a quality handgun goes for six/seven/eight hundred dollars, there are piles of suppressors that can be had for the same cost INCLUDING THE COST OF THE TAX STAMP.

If anyone claims the process (hoop jumping) is too complex or difficult to be practical, now that the internet has a gazillion sites with step-by-step instructions to do whatever you want, they're out of their mind. People who say that submitting a F4 for a suppressor is too complicated, have their heads in the sand.

And even the major gun manufacturers have recently begun making models with threaded barrels.

This is no longer prohibitively expensive nor difficult.

 

[valnar]

I'd also be happy if they moved up the "antique" date a few years.

 

[Ironman]

They are currently legal in 39 states. Checkout www.silencersarelegal.com

I currently own 9 and rarely shoot without one. It makes shooting much more enjoyable.

And to answer Greg528it, yes the new current 45 silencers are very quiet and have a deep mellow pleasant tone. I have plenty of videos on my youtube channel of current suppressors in use if your interested.

Goto www.YouTube.com/fireman1291

 

[Justin]

Are they really that quiet? I looked up a suppressor noise reduction sight. various calibers various bullets. A 150db open shot would be reduced to 115db ish range. 115 db says to me.. I'd still be wearing ears.

As long as the ammunition is sub-sonic, most handgun suppressors can be shot without hearing protection.

 

[crazy-mp]

Popular? The suppressor industry has grown 35 percent in the past 3 years alone, the reason form 1's and form 4's are taking so long is they are receiving more applications for NFA items every month than they received 5 years ago in a entire year.

Yeah some day it will become popular...

 

[Twmaster]

I do not mind the idea of filling out a form and waiting. What I object to is having to pay a non-trivial amount of money for permission.

 

[axxxel]

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I guess someone said in Europe the majority of people at gun ranges use suppressors and that it's almost rude to not use a suppressor at the range because of the noise.

I know that for hunting animals like deer, bear, or moose (big game), suppressors might not be useful, but for animals like prairie dogs and ground squirrels where there are many targets and you don't want to alarm the others it could be very useful.

Will Suppressors ever become legal and popular in the US?
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I don't see suppressors at the range very often, but I don't agree that they're not useful for deer or moose hunting. When hunting moose it's common in Europe to shoot the moose at close range while it is startled by a dog that barks at the moose. If the rifle used is equipped with a suppressor the hearing of the dog is spared.

And when it comes to deer hunting, a suppressor is nice to protect your own and your buddies' hearing. I don't have a suppressor, but eventually I think most of my rifles will have one. (I use electronic hearing protection at the moment, costs about as much as half a suppressor and is compatible with all my rifles immedeatly, not requiring threading).

/European hunter

 

[Bobson]

I consulted my ouija board and the spirits say it will happen at 1422 hours on April 3rd, 2014.

Now you know. And knowing is half the battle.

"Many things are half the battle. Losing is half the battle. Let's think about what's the whole battle." - Kevin Costner as Elliot Ness, in The Untouchables. Always loved that movie...

Anyway. I can see suppressors continuing to grow in popularity, but I can't see them ever being "popular" in the sense that a majority of firearm enthusiasts own/use a suppressor.

The idea of owning and shooting with a suppressor is pretty awesome to me - I can't deny that. But when I start thinking about the cost, the process, the wait, and the registration (and honestly, registration is my biggest problem with it), my enthusiasm for a suppressor fades very quickly.

 

[LiquidTension]

Some of the pain of the "process" fades after the first time. The cost is less than many of my firearms. The registration...well, I'm already on every gub'ment list there is except the no fly list so I don't get worked up about it anymore. I do get detained when I come back into the country though (dumb NCIC stuff). The wait always sucks.

It's not for everybody.

 

[baylorattorney]

What gets me is I can't sit at home and experiment with suppressing my 22 without the fear of ten years fed time!

 

[tnxdshooter]

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In the most recent Outdoor Life magazine they talk about what will happen in the future. One of the things was that suppressors would become legal and popular in the US for hunting.


I guess someone said in Europe the majority of people at gun ranges use suppressors and that it's almost rude to not use a suppressor at the range because of the noise.


I know that for hunting animals like deer, bear, or moose (big game), suppressors might not be useful, but for animals like prairie dogs and ground squirrels where there are many targets and you don't want to alarm the others it could be very useful.


They said that suppressor use around the world is very popular and only in the United States are suppressors really frowned upon. Apparently in the US when people hear suppressors it conjures images of hitmen and assassins wherein outside the US suppressors are common and not thought of in a negative light.






Will Suppressors ever become legal and popular in the US?



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Supressors already are legal if you buy the 200.00 tax stamp



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[nearmiss]

Are they really that quiet? I looked up a suppressor noise reduction sight. various calibers various bullets. A 150db open shot would be reduced to 115db ish range. 115 db says to me.. I'd still be wearing ears.

I don't have a decibel meter but I do have a supressor on my .308 cal AR and I can shoot it without ear plugs.

 

[Prince Yamato]

The overall cost of a can really isn't that high. People think nothing of paying $1500 for a tricked out AR and then complain about paying $500-700 for a can. You can get in the suppressor game for under $500 with a .22 can; under $800 for a .223 and 9mm. You just have to shop around.

I predict the long wait time is going to go away.

 

[TXSWFAN]

It might have been said already, but Texas is fixin to allow cans for hunting game animals. I use suppressors almost exclusively.

Here's a video I made last year. UZI with supersonic ammo at first, followed by subsonic out of a SWR Trident 9. It makes a difference.

 

[leadcounsel]

I'll get a can when there's no paperwork. Until then it's just a dream, and one I wish would come true.

I would not count on the law to change. Logic has little to do with the rules; otherwise SBRs, AOWs, and SBS would not require paperwork either...

 

[Justin]

I do not mind the idea of filling out a form and waiting. What I object to is having to pay a non-trivial amount of money for permission.

If I could have the option of paying the $200 tax and walking out of the store with a new can on the same day, I'd take that over the long wait any day.

As things are, my paperwork was received back in October, and the ATF told me that I can expect to receive my approval in APRIL.

In the meantime, my suppressor must sit on a shelf at my NFA dealer until then, taking up shelf space.

 

[coolluke01]

I just wish they would get with it and allow us to buy them in MN!
My 10/22 and AR15 could share one right?
I would also get one for my glock 34. Do they make any that will not interfere with handgun sights?