Will you buy a CA micro-stamp pistol in 2010?

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It is my contention that the gun grabbers in CA have or will acheive their goal of stamping out new and imported handguns that are unsafe due to not being able to microstamp as prescribed after Jan 2010.

This was the goal all along and mark my words, it won't be long afterward that all pistols that can't microstamp will be banned and required to be turned in (ala AW's banned, SKS buybacks, etc.)

I'm not sure manufacturers will offer many or any prescribed pistols to the CA market due to technology, expense and gamble on payback. My guess is that even if manufaturers do offer the pistols, darn few will buy them.

C'mon gang, be honest. Can you see yourself buying a micro-stamp pistol?

Wish I knew how to post a poll.
 
Fortunately I live in a free state, so PRK's silly laws don't effect me. If something like this were to happen on a national level, I'd max every credit card I had buying up "pre-ban" guns.
 
Will I buy CA micro-stamp pistol? NO.

If ever at national level would I buy said gun? NO.

Who would give into oppression? Sure as heck not I!:cuss:
 
Well to be honest, Yes

Well to be honest. Yes, I will buy one.
The bottom line with me is.... I love to shoot and collect firearms. It is my most favorite hobbie and i would be lost without it.
I don't live in kali, but i do live in New Jersey and you can sure bet that microstamping guns will be a law here very shortly.
If a microstamping gun will be the only gun that is available to me....Then i am going to buy it. I will just make sure i don't leave any brass behind. Hopefully, i will be able to move out of this commie state before the law is passed.
 
I hope to move out of the PRK by 2011 or 2012. But never fear, microstamping will be the least of our problems once Hillary is in office. The Hi-cap magazine ban will be back and will probably be extended to those already in private hands. It's going to get ugly. Count appointments of far left gun haters is a given. Moveon.org is raising money at 3 times the rate of the NRA and all gun owners can do is use NRA decisions that they disagree with as an excuse to withhold their support. And it is just an excuse for being too cheap to donate. Lots of whining but darn few checks get written.
 
I'll buy a micro stamping pistol, then make a YouTube Video on how to defeat it ;)
 
Fortunately I live in a free state, so PRK's silly laws don't effect me. If something like this were to happen on a national level, I'd max every credit card I had buying up "pre-ban" guns

Sorry to say you have not learned from past history. Kalif. starts many crazy laws that spread Eastward.
One I have knowledge of are. Low sulfer/ultra low sulfer dsl fuel. The way they forced it nation wide (before the bugs had been worked out) was a requirement that ALL fuel in Kalif MUST be low sulfer. (back in early 90s IIRC) Well the refineries looked at it and trucking firms as well. IF anyone was caught in state of Kalif with standard sulfer levels (or any level above new mandate) they would get ticket and hefty fine. So (for example) a trucker hauling freight to Kalif fills up in Texas and then tops off once in Kalif. Five miles later they "dip" his tanks and test it. Those 80 gallons of Texas fuel bring sulfer level ABOVE state mandate. So he gets fined.
So what do refineries do? They decide it is NOT worth costs to make one fuel for Kalif and one for rest of country and trucking firms didn't want to have to drain tanks/refill with Kalif legal fuel before crossing border. Also other states (IIRC New Mexico and COLORADO) were talking about how great a idea it was and planning to make it manditory ASAP.
Low sulfer by itself is/was a good enough idea. Thing is they didn't allow enough time for refineries/engine builders to figure out how it would affect injectors, winter gelling, cold starting, etc. So first yr there were a fair number of trucks and dsl cars/pickups that first winter that had problems. I needed new injector due to wear, I was lucky that I was using anti gel already. I would up giving lots of stranded pickups/semi that were gelled up. At least when ultra low sulfer there was time/planning to get lubricity problems and hopefully gelling problems under control.
 
I'll be buying a few semi-auto handguns before 2010 and then calling it done for semi-autos until I can get out of California. However, I wonder if that law will really go into effect. As it turns out, the law is written such that the microstamping technology can be used only if it is available to more than one firearm manufacturer without patent encumbrances. As far as I know, the people who created and are manufacturing the micro-stamping technology hold a patent on it.

In other words, the conditions simply do not exist in the wild for microstamping to meet the state's legal requirements. Well, unless the inventor abandons his patents, that is. :) Yep, I'm holding my breath on that one.

OK, so we lost the legislative battle. Now comes the court battle.

As for fears of what Hillary might do to us, I've said it once and I'll say it again: I simply do not believe that Hillary will win the Democratic nomination, no matter how hard the newspapers push her. But time will tell on that one.

And .... even if she does win, there's the fall-out from Heller to consider.

All is not lost. On the other hand, people need to organize and keep pushing for their firearm rights or all will be lost. All those gunnies out there who keep bashing the NRA really need to rethink their priorities.

'nuff said.
 
I don't live in California, and since the technology is expensive and unworkable I DON'T think it will sweep the country any more than ballistic fingerprinting did. Not every nutball thing that California does catches on everywhere else, especially in recent years.
And no, I WON'T buy a gun that has it. I already have plenty of guns, I take good care of them, and they'll last longer than I will. With a little luck, the manufacturers will realize there are a lot of people out here like me, and stand up to this crap.
Marty
 
Are Gun makers going to comply to the new Cal laws or are they going to pull out? Or what happened to Massachusetts where basically 80% of handgun makers do not make a Mass compliant pistol. There are only a handfull of makers that are willing to comply and do business in Mass, and sure there isnt the same market in Mass as there is in Calli, but hey a lot of makers said, we dont want the problems or possible lawsuits so they pulled out and never went back.


A few gunmakers that do not make Mass pistols


Glock, HK, Kimber, Colt, Springfield, Les Baer etc.


Is this next for Cali?

PLEASE READ THIS LINK IT CAN HAPPEN TO YOU!!!! It also shows what the makers said about these laws

http://fsguns.com/fsg_information.html
 
The real purpose of microstamping like ballistic fingerprinting, is to add another level of registration, the state in this case, to identify gun owners. Even in states like Maryland, that already have state registration programs, the idea will add cost and hassle to gun ownership. The only people the law will actually deter, is innocent gun owners, since even if the technology were to work, it will be basically useless since the gun is stolen anyway. I imagine than that the antigun crowd will label gun owners who have their guns stolen as "illegal trafficers", in much the same way gun shop owners who make legal sales to people who then sell them to criminals. I use to debate an individual who had the same general idea, that is, to make gun owners responsible when their guns are stolen, for the crimes committed with them.
 
No I wouldn't, and considering that the engineering concept of a 'micro-stamp' pistol has yet to be proven workable in any sort of reliable practical way, the passage of this 'micro-stamp pistol' law on the part of California lawmakers is really nothing more than the same thing the New Jersey legislature tried to do with their so called 'smart pistol' legislation some years ago. The real goal in both cases being to ban firearms, and using what is in effect fictional technology as the excuse to do so.

Just like with the 'smart pistol' concept, I think firearms manufacturers might try to do some R&D on 'micro-stamp pistols', but I doubt any would actually try to put them in production. This is mainly because any R&D work would only confirm what is already known, that the concept simply isn't workable in as far as reliably producing a consistent micro-stamp on a cartridge in real world conditions. More importantly any attempt to put one of these unreliable micro-stamp firearms (of any type) into production would almost certainly cut severely into a firearms maker's profit margin, since the firearm simply wouldn't sell well anywhere they weren't required by law, and the firearms market in these places (i.e. California) simply isn't big enough compared to the overall national market to make producing and selling a so called 'micro-stamp pistol' profitable. If you are a manufacturer, why spend any time and money producing a product line that is virtually guaranteed to always stay in the red?

I think what will happen in 2010, is that most, if not all, firearms manufacturers will simply stop selling pistols in California, because it just won't be economical to try to produce and sell pistols based on a fundamentally unworkable technological concept, that no one outside of California will have any interest in buying. Furthermore, for any gun makers who try to produce one of these unreliable so-called 'micro-stamp' pistols in 2010, it is more than likely that they would get so much bad press and diminished sales because of irate gun owners in the rest of the country, which is a much bigger combined market than California, that I doubt they would try to keep such a pistol in production for very long. For the gun maker it would be similar to what happened to Smith and Wesson when they caved into those lawsuits in the 90s, and they were almost put out of business by massive sales losses as a result.

The passage of this useless 'micro-stamp pistol' law by California is of course not a positive development for self-defense rights, and while it is probably an irreversible setback for those who live in California, I doubt it will effect anyone else, in the same way that D.C.'s and Chicago's handgun bans didn't lead to the banning of handguns in the rest of the country. In the long run it might even have a net positive contribution to self-defense rights, since anytime a useless law like this is passed, it provides real world proof like no other method can, that laws legislating physical features of firearms have no affect on either the crime rate or crime solving rate. Consider that New Jersey ballistic fingerprint law that requires all handguns sold in New Jersey to come with a couple of fired shell casings for entering into a ballistic fingerprint database. This law has cost New Jersey tax-payers millions of dollars and hasn't prevented or solved a single crime, and I firmly believe that the complete and utter failure of this law in New Jersey is the main reason similar laws haven't been passed anywhere else.
 
No I won't buy one, but I believe it's because there won't BE any.

I don't think a manufacturer will fool with it. I think they will just sell what's already approved and stop developing new stuff.

If they do I don't think it will happen by 2010.

All this has done, and it kinda makes me laugh to think about it, is to make handgun sales in California go up 10 times or more over the next few years as people stock up on "pre ban".

Every time they ban something they just make people want it more.

Gun dealers will make a killing in CA over the next few years.

Gun makers will be shipping stuff in by truckloads.
 
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