Williams peep on a Remington 581-S

[SGW42]

Howdy. Getting ready to get my 581 out to the range more often so I thought I'd spruce it up a bit. I like iron sights so I've been looking at Williams peep sights, mostly because they have models that supposedly will install into the dovetailed receiver grooves. So my first question is - is it really as easy as that? Bolt them on and zero them in?

Second question is, looking on Midway, they make a model for "high line of sights" (FP-AG) and "low line of sights" (FP-GR). Which one would it be? I would assume the low line.

 

[SGW42]

OK, I got pictures. Can anyone tell me if these are "high line" or "low line" sights (as far as Williams is concerned)?

Rear sight:


Front:


Sighted:


ANY help appreciated!

 

[SGW42]

Doesn't seem to be a whole lot of interest in this, lol.

Regardless, I take a look at Williams' stuff in the ol' Shooter's Bible (pictured above) and it just so happens the gun they use to model the FR-GR (low line) sights is a Remington 581. Here was my answer right in front of me the entire time, lol. Put my order in with Midway yesterday.

Assuming I get them in before Friday, I'm going to mount them up and report back with pics and my impressions.

 

[Mike 56]

I don't know about your 581 but i did put Williams FP rear sights with front fire sights on my 94 Winchester. They are very nice sights they were easy to install, adjust and use. If your not sure witch sights you need call Williams and ask them i am sure they can help you out. Hope this helps.

Mike

 

[mainmech48]

The listing for the Target Foolproof in the Brownell's catalog I have recommend the low line model for sporter rifles. It also points out that a new, higher front sight might be needed to zero your rifle and retain a usuable amount of elevation adjustment.

If you give the Williams CS number a call they might be able to give you the proper new front sight height needed for your rifle. The Williams chart in the Brownell's catalog I have here lists the 581, but unfortunately doesn't list the figures for the FP model. It does give figures for the WGRS-54 (Williams Guide Receiver Sight model 54). This outfit mounts on the dovetail, too and costs a bit less than half the price of the FP. While it lacks the sophistication of the FP, Guide models have worked perfectly well for me on several of my sporter/field rifles. They don't have quite as much range of adjustment nor the micrometer feature and "target" knobs of the FP, but those haven't been an issue for me as I tend to zero mine for a specific load at the particular range I expect to be the most suitable for my purposes. On a .22 RF, my experience has been that there usually isn't enough difference in trajectory between most .22 HV loads of the same bullet weight from a given rifle at 25-35 yds to make the hassle of repeated changes for fine adjustment necessary, for all my practical plinking and casual uses anyway. If I'm going hunting I'll fine tune it for the load, but not just to add or subtract a 1/4" or so when I switch to a different brand of ammo for knocking cans around at the range.

Hope this's of use to you.

 

[SGW42]

That is of help, thanks to both of you.

I ended up with the FP low-line sights, sans target knobs, because that's what Midway had and I was ordering a new rear sight blade for my S&W at the same time. Price was $20 off MSRP, so I think it was a decent deal. Going to wait until I get them on the gun before I decide if I need a new front sight or not, but it looks pretty tall as it is, so *fingers crossed* hopefully no problems.

I don't change my loads often, I try a bunch of stuff but eventually come back to Federal 510, and sometimes CCI Short. I shoot at 50 yards, so this should be adequate. If it turns out to be a laser maybe I'll take it to 100 yards (50 and then 100 is all my range has), but I'm not better on it. Precise accuracy at 50 is what I'm after.

 

[SGW42]

Well, came in today. Looks like I made the right choice. It really did bolt right on with the supplied allen wrench. More importantly it appears more than low enough to keep my original front sight.

Ignore the cat hair:


Looks like the exposed bottom of the elevation screw (under the sight) is cutting into the stock a bit, but no big deal, assuming I don't remove it. The included appature is bigger than I expected. I have a feeling I will be ordering a new one but I will wait until I put it on a target before I decide.

Love the way it looks on the rifle. Lends it a sense of "seriousness" to an otherwise simple plinker.

 

[ThomasT]

Good choice on the williams sight. I have the same rifle and was waiting to see what you ended up with. If you have a laser bore sight you can set your sights reay close without firing a shot. I have one from cabelas and it is one of most most used tools.

I have a winchester made lever action marked Ted Williams model 5 in 22 mag that has the rear sight base cracked. One of those peeps would work on that gun i believe.

When you shoot it i hope you will post the results.

P.S. I forgot to mention that you need to shoot this before you get a smaller appeture. I drill mine out to a larger size or just take them out all together and use like a ghost ring. The smaller sizes are better for target shooting though.

 

[SGW42]

Hopefully I'll get it out this weekend, assuming the weather cooperates and I find time between helping my folks out and maybe going Mosin shopping. Last weekend it was cold and windy. With the wind in my face and the stock sights I couldn't get a tight group at all.

If you're looking for one for your 581, then this one fits, aside from the elevation screw digging into the stock a bit. It should work on your Winchester as well, assuming it has a grooved receiver. It bolted on the 581 with room to spare, it could handle a wider receiver groove if it needed to. I got the aperture to where I think the stock rear sight line would have been before I removed it. As you can see in the pic above I still have a few micrometers to adjust it down if I need to, and sky's the limit adjusting it up.

Just need to figure out what to do with the plastic shroud that covers the receiver/barrel transition. It wasn't pretty to begin with, and now that I took the rear sight out of it it has a rectangular hole. Guess it looks okay as it is now. *shurg*

 

[Mike 56]

Maybe you could do something with one of these to cover op the sight dove tail. http://www.midwayusa.com/ebrowse.ex...d=19052&categorystring=10636***10561***703*** I don't know how good your eyes are but i have the FP sights with front fire sight that fiber optic front sight makes me feel like i have 20 year old eyes again. I am sure they make one for your rifle.

Mike

 

[SGW42]

So, got back from the range. Good news and bad news.

Bad news - need a new, taller front sight if I want to shoot at 50 yards. As it was, I had the elevation screwed all the way down and it shoots a few inches high at 50. Now, I'm not positive of the trajectory of .22, but it should be good for 100 yards. If I do take it to 100 yards, I'll need a new aperture, as the included one is pretty big.

Good news - sights held zero excellent, were easy to adjust, and were very, very nice to use! My eyes fell a lot better focusing on only the front sight. Even though it shot high, I was able to adjust my aim on the paper and hit the bull consistently and get good groups.

The rifle just loves CCI .22 Short. My best group of the day (.22 short, 50 yards):


I think I am going to get the bigger "Target" aperture, with the smaller hole, and try her out at 100 yards next time. I just really don't feel like hassling with the front sight.

 

[xp-600]

sight

Hello what does one of these sites run i had one on my rem 581 i got and i dont need it it had the 2 target turrets for adjustment
i never looked into them its sitting on my bench now its a nice piece

chris

 

[SGW42]

Midway sells them for $60. MSRP is about $80. Target knobs add $5-10, I think.