Wilson 47D Magazine Failure

[9mmepiphany]

It is always a balance between wear and handling qualities

The shortest life expectancy, of quality magazines, seem to be single stack large caliber ones.

It isn't just the 1911, the H&K P9 and SIG 220 7-round mags have the same issues. The heavier .45ACP cartridges require a stronger spring in order to lift the cartridge column faster than the dwell time of the slide at the end of its rearward travel. The fatter cartridge means the feed lips must be wider apart. The cartridge column is being pressed straight up between the opening of the lips.

 

[Jeremy2171]

Just got off the phone after a long wait and I think I got a supervisor as he was looking for my mags (been there since the 14th) and he couldn't find them and I wasn't in the computer. Finally tracked them down to the CS rep I first talked to office. Still sitting there.....the supervisor asked me what was wrong with them..I gave him the quick version and he asked if I just wanted them sent to my address....I said sure and he said he would take care of it right away...

Will report back when I know more.

 

[Jeremy2171]

Got 8 brand new mags in the mail.....awesome..bad news is 5 of them are 7 rnd mags when I sent in 8rnd ones...
Oh well at least they took care of the issues...

Thumbs up to Wilson

 

[9mmepiphany]

Of the 2 8rd mags, did they upgrade you to the ETM or send you older 47Ds

 

[Jeremy2171]

They correctly exchanged the 3 47's for 3 47s..however the other 5 were the 8rnd 47dcb..they sent me the 7 rnd 47cb instead.

 

[stinger 327]

Of the 2 8rd mags, did they upgrade you to the ETM or send you older 47Ds

So what's the difference between the Wilson 47D Combat and the Wilson ETM-500 mags? Which one is preferred?

 

[stinger 327]

I prefer Chip McCormick power mags over the Wilson and tripp mags.

Sent from my mind using ninja telepathy.

is it true with CMC power mags that they need adjustment before shooting? Also are they made of stainless steel like the Wilson brand?

 

[9mmepiphany]

So what's the difference between the Wilson 47D Combat and the Wilson ETM-500 mags? Which one is preferred?

If you insist on using Wilson Combat 8-rd magazines, the ETM is the better mag. The ETM addresses the 47D's issues with follower wear and lip spread...in addition to spring weakness. The 47D was an excellent 7-rd mag as designed by Rogers and was the first mag with a removable floorplate for easier cleaning.

is it true with CMC power mags that they need adjustment before shooting? Also are they made of stainless steel like the Wilson brand?

I'm not sure what you'd adjust.

The CMC magazine is an evolution of the original 8-rd magazines design by Devel. The Power Mag is better than any other flush fitting 8-rd mag and competes with extended body 8-rd mags because it's folded follower allows more spring pressure. The only complaint I've heard about Power Mags is that the follower moves forward after the last round is fed and strikes the frame, but since this is below the feed ramp, it doesn't affect function....if this bothers you, you can get the Power Mag Plus with it's non-jumping follower.

The ETM is comparable in function to the Power Mag, but needs a longer body to do it. I usually recommend the Power Mag, then the ETM and then the Tripp Cobra Mag (it sits higher in the frame and doesn't work with all guns)

 

[stinger 327]

If you insist on using Wilson Combat 8-rd magazines, the ETM is the better mag. The ETM addresses the 47D's issues with follower wear and lip spread...in addition to spring weakness. The 47D was an excellent 7-rd mag as designed by Rogers and was the first mag with a removable floorplate for easier cleaning.


I'm not sure what you'd adjust.

The CMC magazine is an evolution of the original 8-rd magazines design by Devel. The Power Mag is better than any other flush fitting 8-rd mag and competes with extended body 8-rd mags because it's folded follower allows more spring pressure. The only complaint I've heard about Power Mags is that the follower moves forward after the last round is fed and strikes the frame, but since this is below the feed ramp, it doesn't affect function....if this bothers you, you can get the Power Mag Plus with it's non-jumping follower.

The ETM is comparable in function to the Power Mag, but needs a longer body to do it. I usually recommend the Power Mag, then the ETM and then the Tripp Cobra Mag (it sits higher in the frame and doesn't work with all guns)

There are different magazines under one brand name. I am interested in 8 rd. and 10 rd. 1911 magazines. I already have a CMC Shooting Star, Wilson Combat 47D and the brand that comes with RIA 1911 which is made in Italy. All 3 of these are 8 rd. magazines.

 

[9mmepiphany]

Without checking, I'd guess that the magazine that came with your RIA is either Mec-Gar or ACT-Mag...both are Italian.

Your other 8-rd magazines are a generation behind current production magazines

 

[stinger 327]

Without checking, I'd guess that the magazine that came with your RIA is either Mec-Gar or ACT-Mag...both are Italian.

Your other 8-rd magazines are a generation behind current production magazines

Yes it's ACT mag for the RIA. You mean the Wilson 47D, Shooting Star CMC are outdated?

 

[Hangingrock]

This topic I followed with interest because of my experience with Wilson 47D series magazines. Because of that experience I switched to the CMC Power Mag. Wilson Never replaced my magazines. They weren't interested in resolving the issue. Apparently they've have undergone an attitude adjustment since the advent of the ETM design which addresses the failings of the 47D series.

 

[stinger 327]

This topic I followed with interest because of my experience with Wilson 47D series magazines. Because of that experience I switched to the CMC Power Mag. Wilson Never replaced my magazines. They weren't interested in resolving the issue. Apparently they've have undergone an attitude adjustment since the advent of the ETM design which addresses the failings of the 47D series.

So in other words the ETM is a superior magazine than the Wilson Combat 47D magazine. I haven't heard of any problems with the 47D.

 

[9mmepiphany]

Much superior, it addressed all the shortcomings of the 47D that I mentioned in Post #33.

The CMC Shooting Star was superseded by the Power Mag.

The ETM and the Power Mag are pretty much on an equal footing as to function, but the Power Mag is lower profile for CCW due to it's shorter body

 

[Jeremy2171]

Sorry for the delay I got busy and couldn't call wilson..

Just talked to them..the said send back the 7rnd mags and they would replace them with 8's ASAP..


So I'm more than happy with Wilson and will continue to buy from them...

 

[stinger 327]

Sorry for the delay I got busy and couldn't call wilson..

Just talked to them..the said send back the 7rnd mags and they would replace them with 8's ASAP..


So I'm more than happy with Wilson and will continue to buy from them...

I would just looking at the Wilson it appears to be of higher quality over the CMC magazines.

 

[Fishbed77]

The ETM and the Power Mag are pretty much on an equal footing as to function, but the Power Mag is lower profile for CCW due to it's shorter body

I've pretty much standardized on the CMC Power Mags because they are stupidly reliable and a good bit less-expensive than the Wilson 47D or ETM.

If I had to levy one small complaint with the Power Mags, it would be with their tilting follower design, which makes them a little fumbly to load. But its still a small price to pay for such a reliable and affordable design.

 

[stinger 327]

I've pretty much standardized on the CMC Power Mags because they are stupidly reliable and a good bit less-expensive than the Wilson 47D or ETM.

If I had to levy one small complaint with the Power Mags, it would be with their tilting follower design, which makes them a little fumbly to load. But its still a small price to pay for such a reliable and affordable design.

That tilting looks like it could become a problem.

 

[gunsablazin]

I use the 47D's for carry and competition. The competition mags are numbered and I check the ones I plan to use before each match to make sure they will lock my pistol open. The springs and followers do wear out, and it is a simple matter to replace them. Most of mine are at least 10 years old , and I expect to rebuild then every 2-3 years. I have seen pistols that do not like them at all, and it's best to try one in your gun before buying a slew of them. If I were buying a new set today, I'd upgrade to the ETM mag.

 

[stinger 327]

I use the 47D's for carry and competition. The competition mags are numbered and I check the ones I plan to use before each match to make sure they will lock my pistol open. The springs and followers do wear out, and it is a simple matter to replace them. Most of mine are at least 10 years old , and I expect to rebuild then every 2-3 years. I have seen pistols that do not like them at all, and it's best to try one in your gun before buying a slew of them. If I were buying a new set today, I'd upgrade to the ETM mag.

you use those mags more than the average person would?

 

[9mmepiphany]

That tilting looks like it could become a problem.

It's not.

Once you load the first round it can't tilt and it can't tilt again until the last round is fed out of the mag

 

[gunsablazin]

Yes, I shoot far more than the typical shooter. I will go through 500-700 rds of .45 ammo a month.

 

[Fishbed77]

That tilting looks like it could become a problem.

And yet it is not.

As 9mmepiphany points out, all it does is make the first round or two a little awkward to load. Reliability of the Power Mags have been flawless for me. Since I can buy 3 Power Mags for every 2 Wilson 47Ds, and reliability is equal or better, I see no need to do otherwise.

 

[stinger 327]

And yet it is not.

As 9mmepiphany points out, all it does is make the first round or two a little awkward to load. Reliability of the Power Mags have been flawless for me. Since I can buy 3 Power Mags for every 2 Wilson 47Ds, and reliability is equal or better, I see no need to do otherwise.

Aren't the CMC Power mags the same price as the Wilson Combat and ETM mags?

 

[tarosean]

Aren't the CMC Power mags the same price as the Wilson Combat and ETM mags?

I guess it depends on where you get them.. Generally they are priced from a couple dollars to more than 10 bucks cheaper than ETM's.