Wilson Combat You Tube Series “Gun Guys”

[Buzznrose]

Has anyone seen the Wilson Combat series Gun Guys on YouTube? I started watching it a few days ago, and am really enjoying it. Ken Hackathorn and Bill Wilson sit down for short videos, usually 10 to 20 minutes, and discuss some interesting subjects on firearms. Lots of neat history.

I believe there are about 20 videos at this point, and all are fun to watch. The back-and-forth discussion about how the firearms industry evolved in their personal experiences with some legendary names is fun to hear.

https://m.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLFJTW6YkjgiQNzPLiCEcMzSHw6hrQJimE

Here Is a link to the pilot episode “A History of Practical Shooting”

 

[TomJ]

I'm on their e-mail list and receive these. It's a great series.

 

[sota]

I caught their one about dropping the slide, on what I took to be an empty chamber, causing damage.

 

[AZAndy]

When I saw "Bill Wilson," I thought "Wow, those must be old videos, and what did he know about guns?" and then realized it wasn't that Bill Wilson.

 

[JR24]

I just recently started watching a few myself, very enjoyable.

 

[The Evangelist Cowboy]

Sounds like my kinda guys, guys that still drink bourbon, don't think Glock is all that and that 9mm can't conquer the world.

 

[JR24]

Sounds like my kinda guys, guys that still drink bourbon, don't think Glock is all that and that 9mm can't conquer the world.

Weeellllll... Not quite so fast.

 

[9mmepiphany]

When I saw "Bill Wilson," I thought "Wow, those must be old videos, and what did he know about guns?" and then realized it wasn't that Bill Wilson.

I'll bite....which Bill Wilson did you think it was who didn't know much about guns?

 

[The Evangelist Cowboy]

Weeellllll... Not quite so fast.

I saw that one. They said 9mm was a fine choice but they don't worship at it's altar and offer blood sacrifices there.

 

[AZAndy]

I'll bite....which Bill Wilson did you think it was who didn't know much about guns?

Co-founder of AA. I guess I just never knew that Mr. Wilson Combat was also a Bill.

 

[Buzznrose]

Sounds like my kinda guys, guys that still drink bourbon, don't think Glock is all that and that 9mm can't conquer the world.

You haven’t seen many of the videos, have you?

They are certainly.45 guys, but readily acknowledge the 9MM IS the world’s handgun cartridge and the most common round they shoot these days.

As far as Glock, both also understand and confirm the Tupperware pistol’s dominance in both the US and the world. The one line that really made me smile as when Hackathorn told the story of being at Wilson’s home in Arkansas and discovering the gun Bill kept hidden by his front door was a loaded Glock 17, and this was long before Wilson was selling Glocks.

 

[JR24]

I saw that one. They said 9mm was a fine choice but they don't worship at it's altar and offer blood sacrifices there.

Ah, gotcha

 

[The Evangelist Cowboy]

You haven’t seen many of the videos, have you?

They are certainly.45 guys, but readily acknowledge the 9MM IS the world’s handgun cartridge and the most common round they shoot these days.

As far as Glock, both also understand and confirm the Tupperware pistol’s dominance in both the US and the world. The one line that really made me smile as when Hackathorn told the story of being at Wilson’s home in Arkansas and discovering the gun Bill kept hidden by his front door was a loaded Glock 17, and this was long before Wilson was selling Glocks.

I saw alot of he videos. Please show me the parts where they gave lip service below the belt to such things. I carry an m and p in 9mm doesn't mean I think it's the greatest thing since sliced bread, acknowledgement and worship are not the same.

 

[Buzznrose]

I saw alot of he videos. Please show me the parts where they gave lip service below the belt to such things. I carry an m and p in 9mm doesn't mean I think it's the greatest thing since sliced bread, acknowledgement and worship are not the same.

I’m not sure what you mean by “lip service below the belt” and “worship”. I don’t think either men “worship” any gun...they have their favorites and preferences, for sure, but worship? No. And they are pretty matter of fact and acknowledge good and bad gear, guns, ammo, and trends of many aspects of the shooting world.

If you get the impression I am a 9MM Glock fan, you’d be correct. But I’m also a 1911 .45 fan. I have preferences, but I surely don’t “worship” anyone or anything on this world, let alone a gun. Only 1 thing/person/entity is worth my effort to “worship”...and that would be a Trinity made up of an all powerful Father, His Spirit, and His Jewish carpenter Son.

That said, did you watch the Gun guys Glock centric video?

Anyway, some other thoughts, since I’m rambling anyway....

After watching most of the videos, these are some of the statements/points said/made by one of the two men...and I am paraphrasing....that I found most interesting:

- On Calibers: The US is a 9-45 caliber country, but the rest of the world is 9MM pistol centric.

- On Lubes and Cleaners: Most of the world cleans guns with diesel fuel and lubes with motor oil, and they generally work just fine.

- On difference between 1911 and Glocks: The 1911 was designed to be built individually and hand fitted by gunsmiths, where the Glock was designed for mass production.

- On Colt’s fall: During the multi year union strike at Colt, the craftsmen and gunsmiths were replaced by staff employees, who didn’t know how to properly build 1911’s. That was the cause for the poor quality during the dark days at Colt.

- On shooting competition’s focus on speed over accuracy: By establishing scoring systems where faster but sloppy shooter would always beat slower yet more accurate shooters, the speed aspect was overly rewarded. iDPA’s recent adjustment is a step in the right direction.

 

[The Evangelist Cowboy]

I’m not sure what you mean by “lip service below the belt” and “worship”. I don’t think either men “worship” any gun...they have their favorites and preferences, for sure, but worship? No. And they are pretty matter of fact and acknowledge good and bad gear, guns, ammo, and trends of many aspects of the shooting world.

If you get the impression I am a 9MM Glock fan, you’d be correct. But I’m also a 1911 .45 fan. I have preferences, but I surely don’t “worship” anyone or anything on this world, let alone a gun. Only 1 thing/person/entity is worth my effort to “worship”...and that would be a Trinity made up of an all powerful Father, His Spirit, and His Jewish carpenter Son.

That said, did you watch the Gun guys Glock centric video?

Anyway, some other thoughts, since I’m rambling anyway....

After watching most of the videos, these are some of the statements/points said/made by one of the two men...and I am paraphrasing....that I found most interesting:

- On Calibers: The US is a 9-45 caliber country, but the rest of the world is 9MM pistol centric.

- On Lubes and Cleaners: Most of the world cleans guns with diesel fuel and lubes with motor oil, and they generally work just fine.

- On difference between 1911 and Glocks: The 1911 was designed to be built individually and hand fitted by gunsmiths, where the Glock was designed for mass production.

- On Colt’s fall: During the multi year union strike at Colt, the craftsmen and gunsmiths were replaced by staff employees, who didn’t know how to properly build 1911’s. That was the cause for the poor quality during the dark days at Colt.

- On shooting competition’s focus on speed over accuracy: By establishing scoring systems where faster but sloppy shooter would always beat slower yet more accurate shooters, the speed aspect was overly rewarded. iDPA’s recent adjustment is a step in the right direction.

I said they DIDNT do that your trying to fight an enemy that is not there.

 

[Buzznrose]

I said they DIDNT do that your trying to fight an enemy that is not there.

Nope...I’m not looking for any “fight” on an ‘inter-web gun forum’. I clearly don’t get your choice of words used as analogies, but that’s okay...I’ll step back.

 

[tarosean]

The 1911 was designed to be built individually and hand fitted by gunsmiths, where the Glock was designed for mass production.

No not really.

The original 1911 was made by several companies and was designed to be assembled from a box of parts regardless of manufacturer of origin. Over 100yrs later not so much. But you spoke of design.

 

[The Evangelist Cowboy]

Nope...I’m not looking for any “fight” on an ‘inter-web gun forum’. I clearly don’t get your choice of words used as analogies, but that’s okay...I’ll step back.

I meant that they do not subscribe to the belief that Glock and 9mm are the greatest things ever, they acknowledge them sure but I can't tell you how many people I meet that are gushing over the next Tupper Ware wonder and I get a slanted eye (no offense to Asians) for showing up to the range with a revolver or even a Sig 226. They are among the last of the Vanguard of the old school with others like Clint Smith and John Farnam among others. That's all I meant. BTW I see your in SA, Texas you mean San Angelo or San Antone? If San Antonio I'm sure I've seen you at one of the ranges around here, I myself live just north in Boerne

 

[Buzznrose]

I meant that they do not subscribe to the belief that Glock and 9mm are the greatest things ever, they acknowledge them sure but I can't tell you how many people I meet that are gushing over the next Tupper Ware wonder and I get a slanted eye (no offense to Asians) for showing up to the range with a revolver or even a Sig 226. They are among the last of the Vanguard of the old school with others like Clint Smith and John Farnam among others. That's all I meant. BTW I see your in SA, Texas you mean San Angelo or San Antone? If San Antonio I'm sure I've seen you at one of the ranges around here, I myself live just north in Boerne

I hear ya on the “gun judgement”...but honestly, that goes lots of ways. I’ve seen plenty of guys bragging to their buddy about their $3K 1911 or the new CZ75 they just got back from some high end custom shop, and when the lead starts flying, their missing way too many steel plates or putting holes all over the 24x36 inch silhouette target. But honestly, I think it’s kinda funny, and if that’s the gun they enjoy, and paid for it with their bank, more power to em!

Then there are the guys who seem to give a crap about what I’m shooting. Those are the jokers I can do without. Like you, I set up at a range with my Glock’s near some guys shooting 1911’s or revolvers and I have gotten sneers and off handed comments much like the worn out “Tupperware” reference. Same deal when I bring an AR by a rifle bench near precision rifle “bulls eye” shooters, or when I’ve shot skeet out at the National Shooting Sports Complex with a semi-auto Beretta or CZ shotgun.

Bottom line for me is good guns are good guns, whether I buy or own them or not, and unreliable or unsafe guns are worthless to me. Not unlike tools...a quality wrench set costing $25 can tighten bolts just as good as a quality $60 set.

Just because a gun line or type has a bunch of over-zealous fan boys (like 1911’s and Glocks) doesn’t make them bad guns. As we, the shooting community, come under more and more opposition, it makes zero sense not to embrace all shooters, of all guns, who can and should be allies in the fight to maintain our 2A rights.

 

[Buzznrose]

No not really.

The original 1911 was made by several companies and was designed to be assembled from a box of parts regardless of manufacturer of origin. Over 100yrs later not so much. But you spoke of design.

Not sure how you meant that, but my statement was based on and according to what Hackathorn said. And he is clearly a recognized student and somewhat authority of the 1911 pistol.

And while lots of companies turned out pistols for WWII, those guns were largely built to pretty loose tolerances in order to mass produce them and keep them reliable, and they didn’t have much of a reputation for accuracy based on returning soldiers. Don’t get me wrong, they were plenty accurate as a combat pistol, but the accuracy reputation was common, deserved or not.

 

[Buzznrose]

.....BTW I see your in SA, Texas you mean San Angelo or San Antone? If San Antonio I'm sure I've seen you at one of the ranges around here, I myself live just north in Boerne

Sorry, I meant to respond in my last post...I too live outside San Antonio, kinda between New Braunfels and Bulverde (my address is NB, zip 78130). I use San Antonio just as an easy point of reference.

 

[The Evangelist Cowboy]

I hear ya on the “gun judgement”...but honestly, that goes lots of ways. I’ve seen plenty of guys bragging to their buddy about their $3K 1911 or the new CZ75 they just got back from some high end custom shop, and when the lead starts flying, their missing way too many steel plates or putting holes all over the 24x36 inch silhouette target. But honestly, I think it’s kinda funny, and if that’s the gun they enjoy, and paid for it with their bank, more power to em!

Then there are the guys who seem to give a crap about what I’m shooting. Those are the jokers I can do without. Like you, I set up at a range with my Glock’s near some guys shooting 1911’s or revolvers and I have gotten sneers and off handed comments much like the worn out “Tupperware” reference. Same deal when I bring an AR by a rifle bench near precision rifle “bulls eye” shooters, or when I’ve shot skeet out at the National Shooting Sports Complex with a semi-auto Beretta or CZ shotgun.

Bottom line for me is good guns are good guns, whether I buy or own them or not, and unreliable or unsafe guns are worthless to me. Not unlike tools...a quality wrench set costing $25 can tighten bolts just as good as a quality $60 set.

Just because a gun line or type has a bunch of over-zealous fan boys (like 1911’s and Glocks) doesn’t make them bad guns. As we, the shooting community, come under more and more opposition, it makes zero sense not to embrace all shooters, of all guns, who can and should be allies in the fight to maintain our 2A rights.

I agree wholeheartedly, I have every one of those firearms, I have my favorites but alot of people do take it overboard and your correct it's on all sides I do believe the Glock crowd to be the most prolific though.

 

[Pat Riot]

Thanks for posting about this Buzznrose.
I’ll have to check them out.