Wimps and Barbarians (on being a Man)

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I don't know whether to laugh or be ashamed that I got a low score. I mean I've never had a manicure, never had a pedicure and cut my own hair most of the time(if I don't do it my dad has and my cousin is a stylist and likes to do my hair and wax my eyebrows.) I don't consider myself to be manly at all. However I am NOT a girlie girl. In today's world the roles of the different sexes is so mixed up it's no longer funny.

In my opinion there are some things girls should just not attempt. We aren't men and we aren't equal to men. There are some things we can't do better than men and there are some things we can do better. I am independent and can do a lot on my own, but I need a manly man to take care of me. I like being able to protect myself, but that is if I don't have a man around to protect me.

I hope to someday have lots of boys. I don't know if I can handle petty girls for daughters. I hope I can train them to be manly men and not barbarians or wimps. There are situations that call for men to stand up and be men, but there are also situations that call for peacfully walking away with your pride. I hope when I have boys they will know how to treat a woman right and how to handle other men properly.

My 2¢
 
I scored a 3/50. The quiz writer forgot to include the "nobody cuts my hair" option. :)

While I agree with (any try to live up to) most of what Moore suggests, I do have some objections to parts of the essay. I don't think that beatings (or their milder cousin, spankings) are anecessary part of raising honorable men (or women). IMO, it's just as likely to legitimize assault as it is to teach something useful in the mind of a child. I know a couple of youths who are a various stages of growth who are not hit by their parents, and they are still well on their way to being real men. Their parents have raised them with knowledge and understanding of principled just behavior, and treat them like small and inexperienced human beings, rather than children. Part of that, of course, is not hitting them when they do something they shouldn't have (if someone working for you messed something up, would you beat them for it?). I don't know what sort of adults they will become, but I do know that I'm proud to call the older ones my friends.

I also believe that dainty fragility in women is deplorable in women when taken too far (just as a barbaric excess of agressiveness is deplorable in men). Like Gus said, men are stronger than women - but only in a physical sense. The Real Woman should have just as much knowledge, wisdom, and moral courage as her Real Man...and shouldn't consider a lesser aptitude to be an excuse to neglect the manly skills. Take, for example, Tolkien's Eowen (from Lord of the Rings). A Real Woman (IMO) is a capable fighter, just as a Real Man is a competant healer. In that way, the two are complements to each other, rather than being mutually dependent. A lack of skill or knowledge isn't something to be proud of - there's no reason for a Real Man to feel awkward or helpless when caring for children, nor for a Real Woman to feel out of place on the shooting range.

Really, what would a Knight in Shining Armor want with an immaculately naive and totally helpless Princess who's been locked away all her life? Blech.
 
4/50. Today's society is worthless and weak. Honour - most people today probably never heard of the word. I still believe a man's word or handshake is his bond. Break this sacred tradition with me, and you might as well be dead. There are a lot of people dead to me, but a very few who have my highest respect and friendship for life. (the old school friendship)
 
I got a 5/50. Apparently the fact that I don't want a unibrow and have been hit on by gay men counts against me. What, I have to suffer for my rugged good looks?

Eh.

:)
 
Was this test ever in Cosmo????

Back on topic....

Try reading "Wild at Heart" by John Eldredge

Christian Literature to be sure , but a great message ...especially if you are raising boys.

And don't want to raise them as girls.
 
Ian,

I don't think that beatings (or their milder cousin, spankings) are anecessary part of raising honorable men (or women).
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I dunno, I've found myself saying "What he needs is a good ???-whuppin'..." ...and I was referring to one of my closest friends! :uhoh: :eek:
 
Obiwan-VERY VERY VERY good book. It not only helps men find themselves, but helps women understand men. I read most of it and am trying to finish it, but it has totaly changed my relationship with my fiancee for the better.

Ian-I must agree with Tamara. There is a point in which parents should stop spanking their kids. I was spanked at the age of 16 and it changed my attitude towards my parents. I didn't respect them very much till Dad spanked me. I feel it is good to spank your kids. However I agree it's bad to beat employees. There must be another form of ... discipline(in that I mean consequence for wrong actions.). Otherwise things will get out of hand. If they are not forced to do what they are suppossed to do they will begin to slack off and screw things up even more.

I do sometimes feel as if people older than me and close to me deserve a good beatin', but I'm not the one to deliver it.
 
1/50
All I wear is boxer briefs. It coulda went up to 2/50 because I do use hair gel (I have a crew cut) but I can and do walk out the door without it. The scent spooks wild game.
I also got a bit confused on the shaving of my arms too. Done a lot of broadhead and knife sharpness tests on my arms and legs.:D Decided blade tests didn't apply.
 
2/50

Our school systems today emasculate young males; ironic that young females are complaining they aren't manly enough.

But then I guess nothing has really changed - we need to be responsible as parents to teach our children . . . .

Son comes home from a "bullying seminar" and confronts me with the obvious contradiction to what I taught him: bully picks on you, you have my full support to fight back until he is down and does not want to get back up.

Never start it. Protect the weak. ALWAYS finish it.

Now the sissification seminar said that we should understand the bully, call a teacher, yak, yak yak - what NONSENSE. Kick his butt. That's the solution.

Schools today are preparing kids for some utopian society that exists in a romance novel.

I am taking a more responsible approach and preparing the kids for the world I see . . . .
 
Never start it. Protect the weak. ALWAYS finish it.
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truer words were never spoken.

Real manhood isn't about what you own, wear, drive or "act like"

It's about your mindset, and your willingness to do the right thing, even when it comes at a price.

I hope to raise my eventual children the same way.
 
I got a 6/50 (12%) on the the quiz.

That was a surprise to me, actually. I've always thought of myself as kind of a scaredy-cat and a wuss.


Maybe they should have included some questions like, "What would you do if some rude, bad stranger were snuggling up to your wife and patting her bottom?"

Edit: Inserted blank lines to clarify meaning.
 
Son comes home from a "bullying seminar" and confronts me with the obvious contradiction to what I taught him: bully picks on you, you have my full support to fight back until he is down and does not want to get back up.

Never start it. Protect the weak. ALWAYS finish it.
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You are a wonderful father!

I plan on teaching my kids the same thing.


That was a surprise to me, actually. I've always thought of myself as kind of a scaredy-cat and a wuss.


Maybe they should have included some questions like, "What would you do if some rude, bad stranger were snuggling up to your wife and patting her bottom?"
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That's because the quiz was to determine whether or not you are a "Metrosexual," whether you primp and preen and priss, not if you fight/shoot/etc.
 
Hey, I like rock and roll...

Sometimes these articles don't get it all straight. There are good men out there - there's just fewer of them.

My Dad was my hero growing up, just as every boy's father should be. I don't worship him like I used to, but I respect him.
 
Son comes home from a "bullying seminar" and confronts me with the obvious contradiction to what I taught him: bully picks on you, you have my full support to fight back until he is down and does not want to get back up.
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Yesss. I taught my sons that the only time it was ok to throw the first blow at school was when someone talks smack about their mama. It happened. He beat the tar out of some kid for calling his mom a wh***, and got suspended for it. My son told them that his dad told him to do that in that scenario and when we had the powwow with the parents and school officials, the other kid reluctantly admitted to the slur...Suspension Repealed!!! The other parents changed their tune when their kid admitted it. I respect them for that.
 
7/50 here...

I wear boxer briefs...
I don't wish Starbucks to go out of business (what will I drink while reading books for free at Barnes & Noble? :what: )...
AMERICAN PSYCHO was a HECK of a movie from a psycho-thriller POV...
and I DO shave my armpits (reduces human scent when out hunting)...

Does anyone have a problem with that? :neener:

I always thought the best portrayals of a "real man" by Hollywood were done by John Wayne & Robert Urich (SPENSER: FOR HIRE). The best literary "real men" were done by Robert B. Parker & Jack London.

Of course, the epitome of a REAL MAN will always be...

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Uh, 5/50

I think it's 'cause I used to shave my legs in my bicycle racing days....road rash is tough to treat with all those hairs sticking to the dressing.
 
Yesss. I taught my sons that the only time it was ok to throw the first blow at school was when someone talks smack about their mama. It happened. He beat the tar out of some kid for calling his mom a wh***, and got suspended for it. My son told them that his dad told him to do that in that scenario and when we had the powwow with the parents and school officials, the other kid reluctantly admitted to the slur...Suspension Repealed!!! The other parents changed their tune when their kid admitted it. I respect them for that.
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He must have felt great when you backed him up - wonderful lesson for him.

Sadly, I think if you were in the PRNJ, I don't think they would have dropped the suspension.

I just don't know what these people are thinking . . . . if we make believe the world is a certain way it will come true?

It'd be nice; but I'll prepare my kids for the world as it is now, just the same.
 
Ah, 0 out of 50. Really, how many guys use nail polish? Or expensive shampoos? The hair-cutting thing was a problem - my Mom still cuts my hair (hey, it saves money :) ).

Reminds me of that song, "Where have all the cowboys gone?"
 
Ehhhh...I'm androgynous looking enough that most people have to guess. *shrug* Doesn't really bother me.

I don't start fights, but I always try to finish them; I'll only fight if someone physically attacks me or physically attacks an innocent. I believe in all-or-nothing fights; either it's worth using lethal force, or it's not worth fighting about in the first place. The one exception is if someone insults my mother or little sister; I'll beat the crap out of a guy in the conventional bare-handed manner for that.
 
OK guys, help me out here. Do you think wearing clothes stored in a plastic bag with a cloth patch saturated in estrus doe urine counts as using cosmetics?

Let me tell you this winter I did get some funny looks when I went to the hardware store after a morning hunt! :neener:

Seriously, the Claremont Institute article is right on the money. The flip side of this is that not only are the boys likely to be wimps but the girls are likely to be mindless slugs. I suspect that unless something changes this will be the last generation of real Americans.
 
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