TomADC
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If it wasn't such a pain here I'd sell mine with the sling & bayonet.
Winchester 97 or clone?
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TomADC
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Got PM from someone interested in my Norinco 97 trenchgun, I'd like to sell it as a package, shotgun, sling and bayonet, Mine is unfired have the original box etc. I've done some checking on line at the auctions and to tell the truth they seemed a very high to not bad, what is one of these worth?
BTW I would only sell it thru a FFL transaction
BTW I would only sell it thru a FFL transaction
Here's a link for one that did not sell: http://v4.beta.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=134315656 Since there wasn't any bids it appears they are going for less than the opening bid in this case. GB may not always get anyone what they wish for their firearms but they do generally bring what they are worth. There are very few "steals" to be had there .........
TomADC
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Thanks Bill his buy it now price is higher then my package price.
Lightsped
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I have found a couple new ones for in the low $400s. These don't seem as rare as I first thought they were. Still, I am interested in anyone that has a comparable or better deal. I am in the Georgia area, and can provide FFL if out of state.
Fred Fuller
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I don't recall what wholesale was on my '97 riot clone- but OTD price at my FFL (special order) was $385 or so. I picked up a used hardside case and a couple other odds and ends on that trip that were added in to my total bill that day, but that is pretty close to what I paid. Certainly less than $400 no matter what.
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thebluemax
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Is there any way to mount a sling without the heatshield/barrel shroud? I've seen it done but has anyone here done it? Also can I a heatshield be attached to a non takedown 97?
I've been watching "the wild bunch" a lot lately and it's peaked my interest in the 97.
I'm still in debate on putting a sling on it but I'd like the option maybe?
I've been watching "the wild bunch" a lot lately and it's peaked my interest in the 97.
I'm still in debate on putting a sling on it but I'd like the option maybe?
Sr.Shooter
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I bought a Winchester '97 riot gun made in 1921 just two weeks ago. Sitting directly behind it on the shelf was a Chinese copy in trench gun configuration. I'd bought and sold one of those earlier and opted for the Winchester, which at one time had a ventilated handguard & bayonet mount.
My Norinco clone shot just fine and I had no problems with it. It was actually quite nice and functioned flawlessly. The downside is the handguard/bayonet mount was not made to US specs and an original bayonet was a poor fit. It rattled and wobbled. This time I went for the real deal.
Now, what is this about chamber configuration on the original Winchester 97s? Are these not 2 3/4 chambers? And what about crimp? Is ammunition with a star crimp unacceptable in these guns? And who does corrective smithing to make the chamber right?
Thanks,
Sr. Shooter
My Norinco clone shot just fine and I had no problems with it. It was actually quite nice and functioned flawlessly. The downside is the handguard/bayonet mount was not made to US specs and an original bayonet was a poor fit. It rattled and wobbled. This time I went for the real deal.
Now, what is this about chamber configuration on the original Winchester 97s? Are these not 2 3/4 chambers? And what about crimp? Is ammunition with a star crimp unacceptable in these guns? And who does corrective smithing to make the chamber right?
Thanks,
Sr. Shooter
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Most of the Model 97's were chambered for 2 5/8" shells, with a roll crimp. Even those that were chambered for 2 3/4" were still made for roll crimp shells, which are shorter than star crimped shells when fired.
From the 1897's I've inspected ( I own 6, and have inspected well over 100) it appears that chambering was done by hand, since no two appear to have been chambered the same, especially in the forcing cones. Some have long forcing cones, and some have short, with some in between.
For take down 97's, any gunsmith who works on shotguns can lengthen the chamber for you, and polish the forcing cone, since the barrel/slide assembly comes right out of the gun. The problem lies with the solid frame guns. Most reamers won't fit inside the action, so it takes either a reamer that has been shortened to fit, or removing the barrel, which can be problematic for a gun roughly 100 years old.
I've had the chambers lengthened on all my 97's, even my wife's solid frame gun made in 1899. If you've ever noticed that shells fired through an unmodified chamber have the crimps "feathered" after shooting, it's because the crimp is going into the forcing cone of the too short chamber, and is being crushed by the shot column and wad.
These old guns deserve proper care, and chambering them for today's ammunition is the proper thing to do.
Hope this helps.
Fred
From the 1897's I've inspected ( I own 6, and have inspected well over 100) it appears that chambering was done by hand, since no two appear to have been chambered the same, especially in the forcing cones. Some have long forcing cones, and some have short, with some in between.
For take down 97's, any gunsmith who works on shotguns can lengthen the chamber for you, and polish the forcing cone, since the barrel/slide assembly comes right out of the gun. The problem lies with the solid frame guns. Most reamers won't fit inside the action, so it takes either a reamer that has been shortened to fit, or removing the barrel, which can be problematic for a gun roughly 100 years old.
I've had the chambers lengthened on all my 97's, even my wife's solid frame gun made in 1899. If you've ever noticed that shells fired through an unmodified chamber have the crimps "feathered" after shooting, it's because the crimp is going into the forcing cone of the too short chamber, and is being crushed by the shot column and wad.
These old guns deserve proper care, and chambering them for today's ammunition is the proper thing to do.
Hope this helps.
Fred
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ReloaderFred,
Fred, that was very helpful and something I was unaware of. Any suggestions on how I can measure the chamber? And do you know of any smiths that specialize in rechambering '97s?
Mine does have a solid frame.
Thank you, I do appreciate your input.
Sr. Shooter
Fred, that was very helpful and something I was unaware of. Any suggestions on how I can measure the chamber? And do you know of any smiths that specialize in rechambering '97s?
Mine does have a solid frame.
Thank you, I do appreciate your input.
Sr. Shooter
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Sr. Shooter,
Any gunsmith that works on shotguns should be able to put a headspace gauge in your gun and tell you if the chamber is long enough or not. Some are, and some aren't. None of mine were, so they all had to be rechambered.
The only gunsmith I know personally who works on 1897's is in Eugene, Oregon. Some people send their guns to Coyote Cap, who does a lot of work for SASS shooters. I don't have any personal experience with his work, so I'm neutral as far as being able to tell you if it's any good or not. Here is his website: http://www.coyotecap.com/
Hope this helps.
Fred
Any gunsmith that works on shotguns should be able to put a headspace gauge in your gun and tell you if the chamber is long enough or not. Some are, and some aren't. None of mine were, so they all had to be rechambered.
The only gunsmith I know personally who works on 1897's is in Eugene, Oregon. Some people send their guns to Coyote Cap, who does a lot of work for SASS shooters. I don't have any personal experience with his work, so I'm neutral as far as being able to tell you if it's any good or not. Here is his website: http://www.coyotecap.com/
Hope this helps.
Fred
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Once again, ReloaderFred, thank you.
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