Winchester Dynapoint Bulk Pack Water Test

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I decided to go out today and test some Dynapoint .22LR in water jugs.

I’m not aware of what the Dynapoints looked like before, but the ones that I have are in a white bulk pack which is labeled “Winchester Dynapoint.” I was hoping they’d be as reliable as the Winchester Xpert I’d been using before the supply dried up, but I was initially getting failures to fire on the first strike, having to turn the round 180° to find priming compound in the rim. One round had left the factory with no priming compound in the rim. I’ve found this disappointing.

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This is the box the Dynapoints came in.

The hollowpoint in the bullet was small, reminiscent of the Federal bulk pack.

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Note the small dimple. Compared to other hollowpoint designs I favor, this is neither deep nor wide.

However, the bullet profile leant itself to feeding. Though I’ve never had a problem with the Squirrel Sniper feeding anything, folks needing a more feed-friendly profile might take a look at this.

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Note the almost round-nose profile.

I had shot a milk jug earlier today at 100 yards, and got no expansion of any sort. I sort of didn’t expect to as this is a standard velocity round with a small, vestigial hollowpoint.

Around here, more realistic hunting distances, at least until the leaves fall off the trees, are 10yds to 50yds max, so I set up a test at 50 yards.

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50 yard range…

I used my standard milk jug setup, only I used three jugs instead of the standard five jugs I use for centerfire rounds.

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The metal plate is used for a couple things: First, I know an unimpeded round will punch right through it, so it’s a very rough measure of remaining power. Second, I was hoping that it would help recover bullets. It didn’t quite work out that way, however.
I was using my “Squirrel Sniper,” which is capable of dime accuracy at 50 yards with most ammo, this bulk pack included.

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Here is the setup. Earplugs are a good idea, even with rimfire.

A couple notes on the movie: First, I forgot to zoom in, so please forgive me for that. I didn’t have the milk jugs to repeat the performance, or I would have. Second, I fired five times, figuring I could get expansion from at least one bullet.

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The shots…

And the results:

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These are the milk jugs. They are torn up, but not in much worse shape than standard LRN would have done.

It should be noted that the caps were taken off by me; I was looking for bullet fragments. None were found. The bullet lying on the board is one that flattened against the piece of metal and cannot be counted.

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These are the exit holes on the rearmost jug. Though it’s split, you’ll notice that the holes are caliber sized. Little to no expansion took place.

I did manage to recover a bullet.

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This bullet was laying on one of the sawhorses. There is no expansion, and the only deformation is a “tattoo” from hitting a milk jug, and a bit of damage at the base. It looks like it may have tumbled a bit after impact.

Overall, I am not impressed. While in hunting situations placement is key, expansion is also desirable on most game in the United States. I do not know if this is the same Dynapoint that was originally developed; I would very much hope not. I would expect more from Winchester’s R&R department.

Additionally, it should be noted that, though most rounds were subsonic, a few had a supersonic “crack.” Though I have yet to get a chronograph, this tells me that the ammo is pretty inconsistent.

I very much hope that Winchester gets its Xpert line back out very soon. Though it’s somewhat dirty to shoot, the terminal performance of the bullets are nothing short of awesome, especially for a bulk pack round.

I am disappointed in this “new” Dynapoint bulk pack.

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They still make those Dynapoints? I used to buy them at Walmart for about $6 a box. I haven't seen any in years, and would like to buy some again. I liked the Dynapoints as cheap plinkers. I have been happy with the Federal American Eagles I have substituted it with lately though. (The Federal Champion is trash). Not experienced with the "Xpert" stuff myself, since I first seen it. To me it looked overpriced and sounded overrated. 333 bulk packs right? I'm used to the 500-550 bulk packs for less money.
 
Hello,

No, the Xperts come in 500 round bulk packs. They seem to be pure lead with a huge hollowpoint. Almost seem patterned after the .38spl LSWCHP.

I shot a monster squirrel last season, I'm talking the size of a cat here... well, here:

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The thing fell over, and didn't even twitch. The range was about 40 yards.

The Xpert had done its work: It went into the chest cavity, expanded rapidly, and took out the heart, both lungs, and a vertebrae before exiting the other side. It slow(er) speed didn't damage a lot of meat; just trimmed the rib area around the bullet hole.

I would take these over even Velocitors any day. Unfortunately, I can't find any more.

I wrote Winchester yesterday and they got back to me today. I included a link to this report - posted it on another board - and they said they were forwarding it to their R&D department, and getting ahold of me via regular mail.

I figure they're either going to sue me or request a sample of the stuff, which I'm not looking forward to as the nearest UPS hub store (for ORM-D) is about a half-hour drive each way, at least.

One can always hope that they're sending me a pallet of the good stuff though :D

Josh <><
 
Why in the hell would you want to shoot a cute squirrel like that?

Well everything's gotta die, I guess he didn't suffer any. Nice shot.

I'm not a fan of the pure lead .22's. The stuff gets all over your hands after loading only a few rounds. Not to mention barrel leading. Just not worth it to me.
 
I used to take the same attitude. I found later though that what really matters WRT leading is the type and amount of lube used.

I can actually a lot of lead much cleaner than the copper washed stuff. Strange, but true.

Josh <><
 
Why in the hell would you want to shoot a cute squirrel like that?

They taste really, really gooood!:p

....ever eat fried squirrel, homemade biscuits and squirrel gravy?

you just don't need hollow points for bushytails- When we were young uns' we would use hollow points ever now and again but you'll tear up your squirrel....

We use .22 Mag's with 40gr. solids and never a problem.

Have you tried the Winchester 'Power Points'... 40gr Hollow point.

:D
 
Hello,

No Power Points available around here. At least, I've never seen any.

That squirrel I shot took 24 hours in the Crock Pot, and I only had to use him where I would have had to use two squirrels any other time.

Tough ol' tree rat!

Josh <><
 
Josh,

Nice report on the ammo performance and a great looking trophy!! It makes me yearn for the squirrel hunting my sons and I did when we lived in Pennsylvania. Squirrel seasons were some of the longest in the state and provided us with many enjoyable days afield and some great meals.

Thanks for the reminder.
 
great test i normally use cci mini mags the 40gr lrn ones i think they are listed at 1040fps on the box. id love to see a this test done with them. ive never done any tests on them other than shooting game. i swear by this round unfortunatly im having trouble finding it around here the last year or so.
 
Hello,

After writing Winchester and directing them to the report which I duplicated on another board, they replied that my email was being sent to their R&D department. This was Friday, July 3rd.

I got home today, and even being a holiday weekend, I had, in the mail, an ORM-D sticker, postage prepaid, and with an offer to have it picked up.

I am sending it all back to Winchester. Hopefully this will help their future runs.

I can tell right now that Winchester's service is top notch. I wouldn't have expected this quick of a response over a holiday.

Josh <><
 
I had 2 bricks of xperts and had about a 10% FTF from them. I also had about a 5% squib loading. In all, I was very disappointed by the xperts and will stick to CCI whenever possible.

Nice squirrel though.
 
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