Winchester model 100

[Charger426]

Hi all,
Looking to purchase a model 100 Winchester in 284 caliber.
I would like as original as possible.
I have found one (a carbine in 284 which I understand are fairly uncommon).
However it sports a recoil pad ( that I don't think they came with ).
It also has a scope and sling swivels.
The stock also does not have any checkering.
Did the 100 carbine come drilled and tapped for a scope and with sling swivels from the factory?

 

[Doug444]

I have a Win M100 rifle in .308 Win, and the holes for the scope base looks factory for me. I'm pretty sure the carbine had sling swivels, as the rifle does, and they're factory (it actually uses the fron sling swivel to attach the barrel to the stock - seriously). I don't think that the carbine had a factory recoil pad, but in this case the Internet can be your friend. IIRC there are several reliable sources on line. My first centerfire hunting rifle was (I still have it) a Win M88 Lever-action rifle in .308 Win., and I have a loose-leaf collector's guide that doesn't show recoil pads on either rifle or carbine, and sling swivels on both. Granted, the M100 and the M88 are NOT the same obviously (semi-auto vs. lever), but the over all design is very similar. Be aware, the M100 did have a firing pin breakage issue, that was repaired under recall a long time ago, but I believe can still be repaired/replaced (again, look this up on-line. I re-found it withing the last 2 years). The .284 Win. is rare, the carbine even rarer, so if you're finding a "bargain", look it over well.
And remember that you won't be able to find ammo easily, but it's out there and if you do reload, you'll need to remember that heavy for caliber (i.e. 150gr. +), may be too long to fit in the magazine or may engage the rifling, unless you seat them deep, which reduces the case capacity. If you already new all of this stuff , please accept my apologies for pontificating.

 

[Slamfire]

Don't know but I am going to warn you about the potential for slamfires in the Win 100. The exploded diagram I have shows a firing pin spring, but based on the number of slamfire incidents I have read, and heard, that still was not enough to prevent the firing pin from rebounding off a primer, with enough energy to ignite the occasional sensitive primer.

The Club President has one, it slamfired. He sent it to the factory, or the factory sent him a revised firing pin. And the thing still slamfired.

If you do buy a Win 100, use CCI #34 primers in the thing. The #34 primer is a "mil spec" primer and is less sensitive than commercial primers. Slamfires still happen with CCi #34's, just the frequency is less. Do not ever use Federals or any primer that claims to be "more" sensitive. Federals were the most slamfiring primer ever in Garands and M1a's.

Lee Roy's ramblings about the Win 88 and Win 100 are always worth reading:

Winchester model 88 & 100 Information

 

[.308 Norma]

Did the 100 carbine come drilled and tapped for a scope and with sling swivels from the factory?

I'm not sure about the carbine, but yeah, my Model 100 came drilled and tapped for a scope and with sling swivels from the factory. In fact, if I had the time, I could take a picture of a Model 100 as shown in a 1962 Winchester/Western catalog my Mom and Dad had in their country grocery store/gas station. The sling swivels are plainly visible in the picture.
My Model 100 did not come with a recoil pad. In fact, it still doesn't have one.
Yeah, I'm pretty sure Model 100 carbines in 284 are "fairly uncommon." Model 100s in 284 are "uncommon" enough anyway, let alone Model 100 carbines in 284. I wish I had one.
You do know about the Model 100 recall, don't you? It was sometime back in the '80s, I think. And it had something to do with the firing pin breaking. I'd already had the firing pin replaced in my Model 100 (because the original one broke) by the time the recall happened, so I never sent mine in.
At any rate, my Model 100 (.308 Win) was my first big game rifle - Mom and Dad bought it for me when I was about 15 in 1963, and except for that broken firing pin, it's never failed me. However, it has never been a real "tack-driver" - 2" or so groups at 100 yards. That's plenty good for mule deer and elk as far as I'm concerned though.

 

[shuvelrider]

I recently acquired a Model 100 in .308, checkered with swivels and an old school Redfield scope, I don't know enough about them to answer your question. Found it at my lgs, a trade in from an old timer, very nice condition with some honest wear on it. There was a recall on them over the years for something about the firing pin assembly and possible slam fire, Winchester would fix it for free. This one was repaired , the shop owner called the company and checked. Looking foward to running some shells through it tomorrow.

 

[Charger426]

Thanks for the replies.
Apparently it has had the recall done.
I think it would be a fine caliber for the thick brush of central ontario

 

[Doug444]

I don't know if one caliber is better than another for "the thick brush of central ontario" ( what: starts looking for my flame-resistant suit quickly), but I'd bet that the carbine part will make it a fine arm for that application.

 

[mshootnit]

Hi all,
Looking to purchase a model 100 Winchester in 284 caliber.
I would like as original as possible.
I have found one (a carbine in 284 which I understand are fairly uncommon).
However it sports a recoil pad ( that I don't think they came with ).
It also has a scope and sling swivels.
The stock also does not have any checkering.
Did the 100 carbine come drilled and tapped for a scope and with sling swivels from the factory?

The rifle did come scope ready with sling swivels.

 

[mshootnit]

I had a Pre 64 in 308. It had a hitch in its giddyup and takedown/reassembly was an interesting exercise. They are good guns, but with some further commitment from the designers they could have been truly great.

 

[DM~]

We had one for a very short, sometimes it would go full auto, so dad got rid of it.

DM

 

[Riomouse911]

Chuck Hawks has a bit on the Model 100.

Winchester Model 100

Says the .284 carbine is super rare, the carbine came with no checkering, sling swivels and no 100 was made with a recoil pad.

Either way, it sounds like it may be a cool gun for your situation. My only concerns for one as a hunting gun would be its age and getting parts/things fixed, as Winchester discontinued the 100 in 1973 so the newest one out there is at least 50 years old.

If you get it, let us know how it shoots for you.

Stay safe.

 

[.308 Norma]

I don't know if one caliber is better than another for "the thick brush of central ontario" ( what: starts looking for my flame-resistant suit quickly), but I'd bet that the carbine part will make it a fine arm for that application.

+1

 

[.308 Norma]

sometimes it would go full auto

That's what I heard could happen with that firing pin breakage the Model 100s were recalled for. Neither Dad's nor my Model 100 ever did that. I don't think the firing pin ever broke in Dad's Model 100 though, and when it broke in mine, all that happened was it misfired - which DID cost me a nice mule deer buck that year.

 

[dieselchief]

nuline guns in missori has misc parts for them, fwiw

 

[alsaqr]

nuline guns in missori has misc parts for them, fwiw

Thanks.

 

[Slamfire]

Everyone has dismissed the slamfire issue as a firing pin problem. Certainly there was a firing pin problem if the firing pins broke. But based on what I see in an exploded diagram, the Win100 firing pin is free floating. And that means there is no firing pin block to prevent contact between the firing pin and primer before, or during, cam down.

If the primers in your Win 100 look like this after the round is chambered

then the firing pin is rebounding off the primer. And if that is true, the only characteristic preventing primer ignition is primer sensitivity. Which then behooves the reloader to use the least sensitive primer he can find.

I had Roland Beaver install a firing pin spring in the bolt of my NM Garand. The Italians were doing this, obviously they had enough slamfires with the Garand mechanism

Even after the installation of the firing pin spring, this is what a primer looks like after chambering

You think a dent like that won't ignite a primer? Sometimes it will.

 

[dannyd]

Don't forget to research the firing pin recall.

 

[PistoleroWadcutterGANG]

Another thing to note! Flip the rifle mag well up! Look inside along the bolt at the two metal arms. Really hot loads in the past have made those break and or bow causing chambering issues. Make sure they are straight and haven't been welded or brazed. Have seen these home repair methods in the past.

 

[dh1633pm]

Not sure all the models and such for the Winchester 100. Have one in .284. It’s fairly short. Has nice wood. Never shot it. Not that’s its new. It’s on my downsizing list. May consign it one day. No hurries. If I do shoot it, I will take @Slamfire ’s advice. Had an M1 do that one when I was young and ignorant. I have brass and dies, just never took the time I guess.

 

[shuvelrider]

I did get a chance to shoot my M100 yesterday, more so for a function check. It cycled well and decently sighted in from the original owner, will be a decent backup rifle for this deer season. A nice compact rifle, good balance.

 

[SwampWolf]

However it sports a recoil pad ( that I don't think they came with ).

As others have noted, neither the Model 100 nor its lever-action twin, the Model 88 (even the one chambered in .358), ever came with a factory recoil pad. I killed my first Michigan whitetail with a Model 100, chambered in .308, back in 1965. I traded it later for an oil-burning '57 Chevy; worst deal I ever made.

 

[shuvelrider]

In the time it took to check out my M100 recently, another one came into the lgs from another old timer being done with hunting. This one is open sights, very nice condition overall so it also went home with me today, traded a Savage M99 in .308 for it. Must have been a popular rifle in this part of Michigan.

 

[dannyd]

Very popular in the 1960's, my old man carried one in .308, I would imagine most have very low round count.

 

[dannyd]

Some history of the Model 100

 

[.308 Norma]

I would imagine most have very low round count

Why would you imagine that, dannyd? Dad used his Model 100, .308 (1961 vintage) for mule deer and elk hunting for 40 years as best as I can remember. And I used my own Model 100 .308 for mule deer and elk hunting from 1964 until the early '80s when I decided I just "had to have" a 30-06 for doing the same things I'd been using my .308 for since I was about 15 years old. So, I got myself a Ruger 77, 30-06.
Dad did have a Model 100, .243 for only a few years. I think he bought it thinking Mom would use it, but she never did take to it. So, I guess that Model 100 was in the "lightly used" category when Dad sold it.