Winchester model 70, 670 or Mauser 98?

[Slamfire]

If the M98 rifle in question was a FN Deluxe, I would say go with the FN Deluxe.



Given that I don't have any of these rifles to examine, there are very few FN Deluxe rifles out there, but there are a lot of K98 hack jobs.

Given what is the likely selection, go with the M70.

If you find one of these, go with the M70 regardless of what the M98 might turn out to be.

 

[Flatbush Harry]

A real Model 70 at the same price as the other two.
Not even a contest.
Get the Model 70 if it is in halfway decent shape.

The 670 was an economy version of the Model 70.

The sporterized Mauser is god knows what, done by god knows who.

rc
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[Infidel4life11]

Thank you guys again. I'm going to the shop tomorrow if not today and Ill try to get some pics posted in this thread of all three. As it stands right now the model 70 is in the lead. More to follow soon thanks again.

 

[sage5907]

infidel, the Model 70 is the way to go especially if it is a pre 64. You can tell if it's a pre 64 easily by looking at the bolt. If the bolt has a large extractor on the side that looks like the Model 98 bolt it is a pre 64. I the bolt is smooth on the side and looks like the Model 670 bolt it is not a pre 64. A pre 64 Model 70 action alone in good shape will bring about $600. The model 70 is one of the smoothest most dependable rifles ever made and the triggers are easy to adjust. Most will shoot tight groups at 100 yards. BW

 

[Float Pilot]

You can tell if it's a pre 64 easily by looking at the bolt. If the bolt has a large extractor on the side that looks like the Model 98 bolt it is a pre 64.

From 1936 to 1963 they had the claw extarctor. Thus pre-64.

From 64 to the 90s they had the post 64 push feed. Which was improved around 1972 to a halfway nice rifle.

In 1992 Winchester again revised the Model 70 action, this time restoring the full length extractor, receiver mounted ejector, coned breech, and controlled round feed (CRF) while retaining some of the other good features of the push feed Model 70 action.

So you can find a claw type extractor on non-pre-64 Winchesters. In when I bought one in 1992, it had a big tag hanging on it which said (Pre-64) in big letters and type action in very small letters. This can be confusing to folks who are new to buying Winchesters.

 

[USSR]

Float Pilot is correct, you can't just go by the bolt having a claw extractor. However, if you look at the serial #, all receivers built in 1968 and later will have a "G" prefix in front of the serial #, so any claw extractor Winchester M70 without a "G" serial # and a serial # below 700,000 will be a pre-'64 rifle.

Don

 

[Infidel4life11]

Thank you all

 

[joed]

I've always liked the model 70 and have had the pleasure of owning 2 of them. However, from time to time I see someone selling a model 670. Not knowing a whole bunch about this model I have to ask what is the difference between it and the model 70?

Please, my curiousity has gotten the best of me.

 

[Infidel4life11]

Well gentlemen I went into the shop today and talked guns with my friend who owns the shop. I ended up selling a ruger m77 mkII to a customer that my friend had in the shop for a while and after the guy walked out with his new rifle my friend said that he had been trying to sell that m77 for five months. Knowing that I wanted the model 70, 670 and the Mauser he let me take them out and shoot them. Long story short I made a 1/2" group with the Mauser and with the model 70 and a 3/8" group with the 670 all @ 100yards 3 shot groups in the prone firing off my range bag. The model 70 felt great the Mauser did too except the bolt has an assist to it that I didn't care for but the 670 was the fastest bolt lock up with little effort and overall felt better to me. I get back to the shop talked prices and the 670 was offered to me for 300 with and really nice leupold scope a bi-pod a 2 rifle hard case and 100rounds a plinking ammo. The mauser and 70 are still at 500 w/scope 1box of ammo no cases no bi-pod. He's holding the 670 for me what would you guys do.

 

[Infidel4life11]

joed, It's the same rifle as a standard post 64 model 70, except that they bead blasted the receiver, and brushed, rather than polished the barrel, no floorplate, and birch stock as far I understand

 

[Freedom_fighter_in_IL]

You shot well with it, it has a scope on it that is probably worth half the asking price all by itself, + everything else and you have to ask what would we do???????

 

[joed]

Sounds like the 670 is to Winchester what the ADL is to Remington. Odd that you don't see many of them though. I'd bet I haven't seen more then 2 in 20 years.

 

[Float Pilot]

From what I remember, (My Winchester book has been misplaced) The model 670s were a more basic model (Sportman) of the Model 70 push-feed action introduced around 1966-67 and made until the mid-late 1970s. They made a 19 inch carbine, a 22 inch sporting rifle and I think they even made some in magnum chamberings with a 24 inch barrel.
They had a stock made from less expensive wood, and I believe they had a blind magazine. The checkering was pressed and not cut. Also the bluing was more of a mat finish and not a high-grade blue.
From what I remember I saw one that did not have the famous M-70 three position bolt shroud safety which locks the firing pin in place. instead they had a cheap sliding trigger blocking safety like a M-700 Remington... But not as nice. Maybe that was some sort of weird deal that somebody did to that particular rifle...
Because I have seen photos of others that did have the 3 position safety.... WEIRD...maybe there was another sub-variant..

EDIT:
I just took a break and looked up the few that are for sale, I am getting old and sometimes mix up rifles i have seen.,,, all had the 3 position M-70 style safety, EXCEPT one,,,, which showed a close up of a different bolt shroud and safety.... Wow...

I remember seeing them for sale in places like K-mart, Western auto and so -on during the late 60s -early 70s. But only a couple. I do not think I have seen one in person for over 30 years.
The M-670 are about a $300-$399 rifle and they may not be easy to sell.

On the plus side, you could probably buy a push feed M-70 stock and floor plate assembly and basically have a low grade model 70.

What are you talking about when you say bolt assist on the Mauser???? Did the bolt throw itself rearward when you opened it and it had not been fired??? If so it was a model of Mauser prior to the M-98 Mauser. Such as a M-93, M-95, Swede M-96. They are a small ring Mauser and are not as string as a large ring M-98 action.

 

[Infidel4life11]

The Mauser is a bent bolt 98 yes it did throw it's self back about a half inch or so it didn't feel bad at all just different than I'm use to "1st Mauser I've ever shot

 

[Infidel4life11]

Freedom fighter I think the 670 is the best deal and I shot the best with it. Sometimes I like to get as much info as I can on guns I don't know about. I know the legend of the Mauser and the 70 but never owned or shot them and knew even less on the 670.

 

[Freedom_fighter_in_IL]

Infidel, from how you described it, you are going to be paying for 100 rounds of ammo-$50 on the cheap side, LEPD scope- dont know which one so we will just say $150 on the safe side, bipod- again don't know which one so that could be anywhere from $40 to $120 on the safe side, and a hard 2 rifle case- again no known brand so we will assume $40-$120.

Dude, the rifle is being thrown in for free! You seem to like it and shoot it well which is just icing on an already flavorful cake!

As for the Mauser, Float nailed it. Rearward assist was PRE K98. Never seen one in hundreds of K98 actions. Have you ever operated the bolt on a Number 4 Mark 2 Enfield? If it felt the same as that, then that was more than likely a Swede-96 as Float said. They feel remarkably similar as far as the rearward assist.

 

[Float Pilot]

The small ring Pre-1898 Mauser's cocked on closing. So your hand pushing forward on the bolt handle was actually pulling the firing pin back as you shut the bolt. As a result they actually have a weaker firing pin spring.
So when they have not been fired, the cocking piece in the bolt shroud is still engaged with the sear. So the firing pin spring throws the bolt rearward once you turn the bolt enough that the locking lugs disengage.. If the rifle has been fired you do not get this rearward springing action.

The M-98 rifle, and it's clones, the M-1903, Model 70 and so on, cock via a camming action as the bolt is being opened. They can take a heavier firing pin spring since there is a mechanical advantage.

Rifles are like a nice suit.... once you find one that fits you right, it does not matter what anyone else thinks you should buy..

 

[Infidel4life11]

freedom and float thank you guys and good info on the mauser. I think the 670 is the good choice even more so since you did the math for me lol. I probably go pick it up next week.

 

[IlikeSA]

I have a 670 and while it is a nice rifle, 500 is too much, assuming it has a vintage scope. It will be push feed vs controlled feed, if that matters to you. The Mauser could be good...but why chance it? The model 70, if truly a pre-64 is a great deal. It will have the controlled feed of a Mauser with the hand-craftsmanship of a rifle of that era. If you are going to mod a rifle though, why not go with the already modded Mauser, assuming it is in good repair?

Saw you picked one...that 670 was a steal for that price.