Winchester Slide Action Shotguns

[gpb]

I came across this quick review of some old Winchester slide action shotguns. I thought it may be of interest to slide action shotgun action fans.

Shown and briefly discussed are a Model 1893, a Model 1897, and a 20 ga. Model 12, a heavy duck Model 12, and a Model 42.

Link to video: Winchester Slide Action Shot Guns

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=plzMecV9WlM

 

[kerreckt]

I have a Model 12 16ga. given to me by my father. He bought it from a fellow pilot being sent to Korean war in 1950. He paid $35 for it. It was made in 1929 the best I can find out from the serial number. Almost no bluing left, smooth as silk and by far my favorite to shoot. Too bad the 16ga fell out of favor in the USA. I think it is about a perfect size for shotguns. My understanding is that it is still popular in Europe.

 

[DDDWho]

I have a couple of Model 12s. One is a 12 ga.that was my Dads the other is a 16 ga. from an Uncle. Both from the 1950s.

 

[crestoncowboy]

I came across this quick review of some old Winchester slide action shotguns. I thought it may be of interest to slide action shotgun action fans.

Shown and briefly discussed are a Model 1893, a Model 1897, and a 20 ga. Model 12, a heavy duck Model 12, and a Model 42.

Link to video: Winchester Slide Action Shot Guns

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=plzMecV9WlM

The 12 was great. Classic shotgun. Everything after that was complete garbage from the 1200/1300/140/1400 right up to the sxp. Lol

Damn that ejector. Lol

 

[gpb]

The 12 was great. Classic shotgun.

I always found it strange that Winchester could develop the Model 12 , one of the great pump action shotguns, and in the same time period develop the Model 1911 SL semi auto shotgun. The 1911 SL certainly had some questionable design features.

At one time I owned a 1911 SL. It was a fun gun to shoot, but you needed to be aware of its design quirks. It's easy to see how people got into trouble with that design. I guess Winchester was working to avoid the Browning patents.

 

[Shanghai McCoy]

I don't know if a slicker action than the Model 12 exists..?
I remember being one of the lowly trap boys at the Novato Gun Club around 1970.
There were a couple of the shooters there that shot doubles with their Model 12s and I recall they did pretty well too.

 

[The Happy Kaboomer]

I don't know if a slicker action than the Model 12 exists..?
I remember being one of the lowly trap boys at the Novato Gun Club around 1970.
There were a couple of the shooters there that shot doubles with their Model 12s and I recall they did pretty well too.

The Remington mdl 31 and the Ithaca mdl 37 aRE RIGHT UP THERE TOO.

 

[entropy]

I always found it strange that Winchester could develop the Model 12 , one of the great pump action shotguns, and in the same time period develop the Model 1911 SL semi auto shotgun. The 1911 SL certainly had some questionable design features.

At one time I owned a 1911 SL. It was a fun gun to shoot, but you needed to be aware of its design quirks. It's easy to see how people got into trouble with that design. I guess Winchester was working to avoid the Browning patents.

Yes, and it cost lives. There's a reason the 1911 SL was called "The Widowmaker".

The Remington mdl 31 and the Ithaca mdl 37 aRE RIGHT UP THERE TOO.

Yes they are. Vic Reinders won many a Grand trophy with a Rem. 31.

I have an Ithaca 37 from 1941 that I shoot trap with occasionally, and a 1960 Win. Model 12 I've busted some clays with also, as well as a pheasant or two.

 

[eastbank]

i have three model 12,s(20-16-12 gages) and a model 97(12 ga) all bought at the same time, the owner bought them new in 1953. and seven remington 870,s from a first year 12ga and the rest in 410-28-20-16-12 gages. take a read on rudy echen, he used a 12ga, rem 870 to shoot 100 straight doubles and 20 odd years did the same thing with the same rem 870. his son like Bretta shotguns.

 

[PRD1]

I always found it strange that Winchester could develop the Model 12 , one of the great pump action shotguns, and in the same time period develop the Model 1911 SL semi auto shotgun. The 1911 SL certainly had some questionable design features.

At one time I owned a 1911 SL. It was a fun gun to shoot, but you needed to be aware of its design quirks. It's easy to see how people got into trouble with that design. I guess Winchester was working to avoid the Browning patents.

The Model 1912 is a Browning design; the Model 1911..... isn't.

PRD1 - mhb - MIke

 

[gpb]

The Model 1912 is a Browning design; the Model 1911..... isn't.

Well, sort of.

By 1900 Browning and Winchester had parted ways in a dispute over selling the right to a design versus paying royalties for use of a design.

When detail design of the Models 1911 SL and 1912 started Browning was out of the picture at Winchester. However, the core designs of both the Models 1911 SL and 1912 are Browning designs.

For the Model 1912, Winchester started with the Model 1893/1897 core design. Since Winchester owned the design, having bought it from Browning, they were free to do what they wanted with it. Winchester modified the core design and produced the Model 1912. One of the best pump action shotguns ever.

For the Model 1911 SL, Winchester started with the Browning long recoil design. Evidently the Browning long recoil design was not under patent at the time. However, the use of a cocking handle attached to the bolt was under patent to Browning. Winchester needed a work around for the cocking handle. The work around was to grasp the barrel and push it in. Thus, simulating the firing of a round. This action cycled the bolt. This method of cycling the action, if done incorrectly could lead to disastrous results. Thus, the nick name "Widow Maker".

For both the 1911 SL and the 1912 Winchester started with Browning core designs. When Winchester modified and detailed the 1893/1897 design, they got it right, and created the 1912 one of the best pump shotguns ever. When Winchester, using the Browning long recoil core design, and tried to work around the attached bolt handle patent, they got it horrible wrong, and created one of the worst self-loading shotguns ever.

It just seems strange to me that a gun company using the same design approach of modifying a proven design could do so well with one gun and so poorly with the other gun.

 

[luv2safari]

I came across this quick review of some old Winchester slide action shotguns. I thought it may be of interest to slide action shotgun action fans.

Shown and briefly discussed are a Model 1893, a Model 1897, and a 20 ga. Model 12, a heavy duck Model 12, and a Model 42.

Link to video: Winchester Slide Action Shot Guns

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=plzMecV9WlM

Thanks for sharing.

 

[Pivot Dr]

You forgot the model 25. Granted, it’s almost a model 12, but not quite.

 

[mokin]

Shotguns are plain fun. The narrator's laugh after that first shot made me smile.

A "new" shooter showed up at the trap club today. He had shot trap before but admitted it had been a while. After the first station he turned around with a great big smile and said "This is fun!"

Although I usually shoot a Browning O/U today, I had my Winchester 1300. I haven't shot it in a couple months. I did alright.

Thanks for sharing.

 

[nettlle]

All though I have never owned a Model 12 or Model 97 I have hunted with both. It would be a hard decision to choose between the two. I will say the machining and fit of the parts on a Model 97 is second to none. It's a piece of precision.