Winter - gloves - and carry.

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You guys down South and West ... this one ain't for you!:p

I hardly wear gloves .. hate em but .... in the coldest of cold winter days .... there are times when they sure help - and this would not be the thin things like I use for motor cycle riding either!.

I resort a great deal to hands in pockets but .....

On those days when gloves are almost a must .... what to do re access and use of the piece?? You guys up North more .... what do you do? I am also aware that competant use of a piece is severely prejudiced too when hands so cold that sensation is diminished and muscle function also.

Just fishin for views and opinions .........
 
I'm in the south...our hands get cold...kinda like I sweated real good in PA last year about this time of year. Mods- I want to report Location Sterotyping :D

I use fingerless gloves. The wool ones with all the fingers ( and thumb) from mid knuckle exposed. Some have leather on palm area. I have used for many years (seems like forever),often all I need. In extreme cold, I wear the fingerless on shooting hand only,warmer glove on weak hand...hunting for example. At the range and loading mags, mags changes...etc., no problem,with fingerless...actually rarely use warmer gloves anymore, even hunting...weak hand in pocket if need.

Not just for shooting, working with tools, and such...I can also if need get pocket change, and the like without removing the glove(s). Being wool ,stays warm even if wet.

In moderate cool weather...those cheap cotton gloves done the same way work real well. ( typical... southern boy to whack a pr of gloves huh...That's what you wanted to hear tho' from me anyway):D
 
Advantage > GLOCK

The Polymer frame of GLOCK pistols is temperature neutral. That means on the cold days a steel gun hurts your fingers, a Glock is just cool. :cool:
 
This is a real advantage H&Ks possess - because of those absurdly oversized trigger guards, most folks can use them with gloves, no prob.

When I lived in colder climes, I recall I had mastered using inertia to huck my glove off as step one of my draw. You know, sort of make a loose "knife hand" and jerk the arm up to about chest-high, then abruptly stop: the glove went sailing toward the front (I always figured that would give an assailant something to do - you know how one automatically catches things thrown in one's direction). Then, go into the draw from strong-side IWB or slide holster.

Sounds stupid, but I felt comfortable that it would work. This would have slowed me down as compared to a summertime draw, but not much. I recall I wore moderately heavy suede leather gloves at the time.
 
Mods- I want to report Location Sterotyping
Guilty as charged Steve!!:neener: :D

You are right .... fingerless is way to go and about all I do use .. forgot to mention them .... but at same time I hate any impedance to the gaining of a ''normal'' grip on the gun .. guess what it means in fact is go to the damn range .. and damn practice!!:p

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TheeBadOne ...... Not just the glock! My P series is (are!) equally ''friendly'' to bare skin.! P95 and 97 .... both the polymer frame.

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Erich ........ Fortunately too .. the P series has a very ''generous'' trigger guard ... so maybe that'll help too. There is tho something about ''skin on piece'' ... more intimate contact and so better results. That glove deal ..... sounds pretty slick but can't think of any gloves I have or ever had that would come off quite that easily - or reliably!:)
 
Fingerless gloves.. work like a charm. Also have a pair that has a fold over mitten to enclose the hand when its really cold.. and you can still just walk around with yoiur hand in your pocket.

Hell when its THAT cold you can CCW a Colt New Serviceand no one will notice.
 
Mechanix Gloves

You could wear something like Mechanix gloves when it is cold. I use them for shooting gloves. They fit like a second skin, but they cut down on the wind. You can thread a nut wearing them, and have good feel. You might even be able to find some that don't say Mechanix on them (off brand) and aren't bright yellow on black.
 
:D Hi. Hey beautiful state you have, but dang I wanted cool weather...the great BB-Q made up for the heat tho'. ;)

Seriously , I hate gloves. I used to put my shooting finger in my mouth, put hands inside pockets, anything to avoid wearing gloves. The wool with the leather is best , IMO, because wool is slick, the leather helps.

Now my doc/shooting pard, got a set of fancy smancy Bob Allen shooting gloves ( he wore them for motorcyles...typical him) these were thin, kept hands warm and had vent holes...these were fingerless btw. Tried them and worked well.

I agree, tho', I want to feel the gun, don't matter if handgun, shotgun, rifle, I want to feel the gun...and not just with fingers.

Oh, seriously, talk someone out of a pair of powderless surgical gloves. I tried this when shooting in the rain, cold rain. Hands were "dry" and therefore didn't "feel" as cold. Yes they sweat some, but percieved dry helped. Oh yeah I looked stupid, but cold rain...I looked stupid shooting anyway, got style points for that "wet dog" look tho'. :D

What's wrong with this picture, southern boy sharing with a northener how to keep hands warm, next he'll want to know how to drive in snow. :p
 
next he'll want to know how to drive in snow.
hahaha! Well ...... just come visit for a spell .. I'll teach ya for free!:p

Surgical gloves eh! well I guess keeping skin dry sure helps in the wet but ... oh man, do I ever sweat in them. Finish up way too wet .... inside! Besides ....... how many gaenecologists shoot anyways, wearing their work ''clothes''!:D :neener:

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Wedge ...... not come across those ''Mechanix'' gloves .... sounds to me like another ''gaenecologist'' trick!:eek:
 
My doc isa GP, now you have me worried. Last time I recall him wearing those shooting gloves he came out of a exam room...I could have sworn his nurse said he was doing a pap smear...:uhoh: :D

"Nuther thought, since I do know how BIG little league is up your way, batter's glove?
Still think for CCW, Thin leather gloves and practice. Those thin driving kind they make.

...and speaking of driving, umm, we just think we have mountains here. I left in a Nor'easter ( however the heck you folks call that storm)... ahem, "educational" to say the least. Kinda like the times I've driven in Tornado weather, except different, it was dark, and well diffferent.

I'll come back someday, in weather that won't require shooting gloves tho'.
 
I like to wear neoprene patrol gloves like the kind sold by Hatch or Uncle Mike's. They are very thin and easy to use with a handgun. One tip I learned from OJ is to buy them a size smaller than you need--the glove will fit, and you get no slop in the trigger finger. Then practice with them. When it gets real cold, I have to move up to some thicker gloves, but the "one size smaller" rule seems to make it workable. I carry a Beretta, and the size of the trigger guard is good for use with gloves. If find that the distance between the trigger guard and the trigger is a bit too short for comfort on Glocks when using heavy gloves.
 
I wear loose fitting mittens all day at work. They are on and off hundreds of times an hour some days. I need bare hands when I need to handle things and gloves dont cut it. The mittens are much warmer than gloves and come off like a hockey players gloves in a hurry. At the range they are great as when I need to shoot I just pop them off to shoot and pop them back on. Hands stay toasty. Gloves suck mostly because they dont allow your fingers to be together to keep warm. Meat on meat so to speak. The mittens with the flip open tops work ok, as long as they are not the ones with the fingerless gloves inside, the ones with the slits cut for your fingers to pop out work ok though.
 
The mittens with the flip open tops work ok, as long as they are not the ones with the fingerless gloves inside, the ones with the slits cut for your fingers to pop out work ok though.
I do have a pair of those AK ... they come out for hunting in December usually .. and there, no great probs. The ''meat on meat'' aspect works great.

My concern with anything glove/CCW oriented tho is with any potential restriction or impairment to a draw and useage. Now I am sure not ''Mr Paranoid'' - and consider (and hope) that my 1:1,000,000 need to use the piece will never occur .... but OTOH ... I am one of these guys who ''Murphy'' seems to like to hassle ... ya know .. ''what can go wrong - will go wrong''!:rolleyes: :p

Thus my interest in how I might best deal with this, albeit infrequent, situation...... knowing that Murphy will be waiting for just such an event. Makes me think of the adage ... ''better to have and not need, than to need and not have''. That perhaps becoming .... ''had one ... but couldn't get it quick enough''! :D
 
I agree about Murphy, thats why I'd rather not have any thing on my hands at all. I'm so used to getting my mittens on and off its not even a conscious thought anymore. Its also a lot faster than trying to get gloves off. I'm outside all day and have to deal with the extra layers and accessories all the time. If your pistol is under a layer or two, those gloves could be real trouble if zippers or buttons are involved. Its hard enough with bare hands if you dont think things out. If your gloves are thin enough to shoot with, and I've yet to find any kind of glove that is, they wont do you any good for keeping your hands warm, at least for more than a few minutes. If you think this is slow, you should try the Camel Bak draw! When I'm riding my bike, my method is to R U N N O F T in my bike shorts and funny shoes and do it as I run! Last thing I want is to get caught dead in that outfit and be on the news to boot! You always have to be thinking, no matter what the season. :)
 
I generally wear driving gloves. I need something very thin to feel the steering wheel and controls, and these fit the bill nicely for shooting also. Simply a layer of leather with no frills. Keeps your hands from freezing, but of course, lack the real warmth of lined ones. Good enough for me to feel all the controls of my gun also without going fingerless.
 
For "normal" clod days, I use a pair of fleece/rubber fishing gloves. Fleece w/ vapor barrier all over, but textured rubber on palm & lower finger surface. Thin enough that they do not interfere with pistol use. Yes, I practice with 'em. They look nice enough for normal business use, too.

For REAL cold days, I use ski gloves. Rip off strong hand glove as part of the draw. Practice is mandatory.
 
The Oracle of All Things Firearms, Massad Ayoob, has this to say:

http://www.backwoodshome.com/articles2/ayoob79.html

The best combination of tactile sensitivity and adequate warmth will be found in gloves made of high-tech materials such as Thinsulate. You can always try the old arctic outdoorsman’s trick of making a slit lengthwise in the trigger finger pocket of the gloves or mittens, through which you can extend your index finger just long enough to make the shot and then bring the digit back to its warm place if that is necessary. Downside: I found that snow tended to get into the glove through the slit.

When I toured Anchorage, Alaska, in the company of local city and state law enforcement officers, I learned their approach to “deep freeze shooting situations†insofar as gloves. Most, when they were outdoors long enough to have to worry about it, knew that in the Alaska winter the cold would be so savage that they would need substantial, serious-size gloves that could get in the way of manipulating their rifles and shotguns. They learned to fit the gloves just snugly enough to stay in place, but loosely enough that they could be flung clear, or the officer could at least raise the hand, sink his teeth into the end of the glove fingers, and jerk a bare hand clear to operate the gun.

It is always important to keep the finger completely clear of the trigger guard until such time as the decision to immediately and intentionally fire has been made. This is even more starkly necessary in cold weather, where hands numbed by cold or blocked from touch by fabric can start applying pressure to the trigger without the person holding the gun actually feeling it. I know one deer hunter who made a habit of letting his index finger stray to the trigger of his 7mm Magnum Remington Model 700 hunting rifle. One frigid late afternoon in the remote wilds of Utah, his finger rested on that trigger, and began to contract. He didn’t notice it was happening until he was jolted back to reality by the deafening roar of his hunting rifle. Fortunately, nothing but his pride was hurt. Since that accidental discharge, he has become scrupulously careful to keep his finger away from the trigger area until he is certain that the time to fire has come.

There are special “hunter’s mittens†or “shooter’s mittens†designed for Arctic-level cold that have separately articulated finger pockets for the trigger finger. Whatever your handwear, it is critically important that you log some practice time with it on, handling and shooting your firearms. The gun will feel bigger when held in a gloved hand. If your firearm has a very small trigger guard, such as the old Winchester Model 1897 pump shotgun, a glove thick enough to be really warm may also be thick enough to fill the trigger guard to the point where the glove material is putting pressure against the trigger without you realizing it.
 
How about hunting mittens. I can flip the mitten open in about a half a second. Not Ideal but your hands will be toasty warm:D
 
I do have some Peet ...... great too for hunting ... but apart from that, they have same effect on me as very confined spaces .. a sorta ''hand claustrophobia''!!:rolleyes:

I know I can get fingers out pretty quick but .... always seems like ''will they tangle, get trapped'' ... like a bad dream! The feeling of having a finger free makes for a more relaxed demeanor!

I think ''out & about'' ... looks very well like fingerless will be way for me to go ...... tho yet to try this super thin ''Thinsulate'' things.
 
Winter - gloves - and carry.
You guys down South and West ... this one ain't for you!

I hardly wear gloves .. hate em but .... in the coldest of cold winter days .... there are times when they sure help - and this would not be the thin things like I use for motor cycle riding either!.

I resort a great deal to hands in pockets but .....

On those days when gloves are almost a must .... what to do re access and use of the piece?? You guys up North more .... what do you do? I am also aware that competant use of a piece is severely prejudiced too when hands so cold that sensation is diminished and muscle function also.

Just fishin for views and opinions .........

You being in Penn., I know it doesn't get THAT cold most of the time. :neener: so it's hard to sympathize.

Alright we had 90 degrees F for a high two weeks ago and this morning when I was outside to start my old 77' Chevy it was almost -20 windchill. But that's North Dakota for ya.

What days do you consider gloves a must? Today I was walking around with school books in hand among other things and my gloves and facemask combo resided in my front left coat pocket. I generally keep my hands in my coat sleeves when it's really cold out as I'm walking from vehicle to building or whatever with gun in front right pants pocket. Gloves are just for when I have to walk a long distance outside.
 
MOST of the time you are right . it don't get that cold .... not like up there in ND anyways but .. there are usually spells when it can be both cold and ..... significant wind chill ... and tho I reckon not to be out in that over long ... there are times when I am out .... and about ... not in warm truck, not in warm eating place ... just ''out'' ...... long enough to want a bit of thermal assistance to prevent numbing of fingers.

OK so ... it is not often but ... the thought is there as far as those few times gloves can sure help.

I don't want to be shooting with gloves if avoidable but neither do I want hands that are half numb! Just looking at options!:)
 
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