litman252
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They are having a public hearing tomorrow (9-9-03) Please attend, call or write your reps!!!!!!!!!
Find Your Rep.
Thanks,
Tony
Find Your Rep.
Thanks,
Tony
Wisconsin CCW update
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On, Wisconsin!
Monkeyleg
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The hearings tomorrow are pretty much a show of force for the media. Yes, they're important for that reason, but what's more important is that every cheesehead gunowner visits, calls or writes his legislators.
We really can get this passed. I'm laying odds at 50-50, because I just can't know how many gunowners are going to sit on their mushy behinds and not care, and not write or call.
If they care, we'll win. If they don't, we'll lose.
It's that simple.
We really can get this passed. I'm laying odds at 50-50, because I just can't know how many gunowners are going to sit on their mushy behinds and not care, and not write or call.
If they care, we'll win. If they don't, we'll lose.
It's that simple.
Update from the Milwaukee JS
Here's the story
Here's the story
I hope the packed rooms means that the pro-gunners outweighed the anti's by 3-1 or more... that's the way it usually ended up in MN anyway, IIRC.
litman252
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Thanks for the Support, I called a normally quite buddy, he is a CCW suporter, he had his family and friends all calling. Quite a feeling seeing people unite for a good cause.
I copied my response to another thread:
"I listend to talk shows in Madison as much as possible today, You guys should have heard it,
" I was in Texas when the legalized CCW, 8-9 people a day were shot by these hot headed cowboys"
" You are 3-4 times more likely to be shot in your home it you own a gun, you want those odds on the street??"
Don't renember exactly but someting like....."(a BS statistic) number of cops are killed by there own guns each year, now citizens want this ability also?"
Man I was steaming, Thankfully both of the hosts, 1 Republican, 1 Democratic where for CCW. the majority of calls were positive.
Tony"
I copied my response to another thread:
"I listend to talk shows in Madison as much as possible today, You guys should have heard it,
" I was in Texas when the legalized CCW, 8-9 people a day were shot by these hot headed cowboys"
" You are 3-4 times more likely to be shot in your home it you own a gun, you want those odds on the street??"
Don't renember exactly but someting like....."(a BS statistic) number of cops are killed by there own guns each year, now citizens want this ability also?"
Man I was steaming, Thankfully both of the hosts, 1 Republican, 1 Democratic where for CCW. the majority of calls were positive.
Tony"
Monkeyleg
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The hearings today were a sight to behold. We outnumbered the anti's by 4:1 in the morning; by afternoon they'd all left for their kumbaya sessions, so we outnumbered them by probably 20:1 or more.
The district attorney from Milwaukee made a rare appearance, which means that they anti's know this bill is going to pass both chambers. DA McCann showed maps where there had been shots fired last year, and talked about how many rounds are fired in the bad neighborhoods each month. He didn't seem to comprehend the idea that these are gang-bangers and drug-dealers doing the shootings. McCann is a smart attorney and DA, but he really came across as not knowing what he was talking about.
State Senator Tim Carpenter kept harping on little details that mean nothing. I'm beginning to question how this guy ever got his high school diploma or even a GED. He cited VPC stats like gospel.
The anti's brought in a woman whose son was killed by another young man by negligent discharge. "The-gun's-not-loaded" syndrome. She talked about the "gun going off and shooting her son." I suppose she and her late son's killer are still friends, but she's not on the best of terms with the gun.
Our side had an "victim" as well: a young woman who was brutally and repeatedly raped and left for dead. Her sister was also raped. After her testimony and plea for a means to defend herself and her family, the chamber was eerily silent.
Darren LaSorte, our NRA/ILA representative, made one of the most compelling arguments for concealed carry that I've ever heard. The aforementioned Senator Tim Carpenter objected to having LaSorte testify, because Darren's not from Wisconsin. Carpenter got his yap shut in very short order.
The head of the Wisconsin Pro-Gun Movement, Jim Fendry, offered up one of the most direct challenges I've ever heard at a public committee hearing. After a few chair-polishing chiefs and sheriffs voiced their objections to the bill, Fendry suggested that they show their committment to non-violence by disarming themselves and their officers and deputies when they're off-duty. Fendry also was able to use his 20 years of experience as a police officer to rebut many of the bogus claims made by the chair-polishers.
The news media was out in greater force than they've ever been at previous CCW hearings. Again, this is a sign that the bills are going to pass.
So, how many gun owners will take the time to write or call their reps? We can win this. Honest to God, we can win this. But only if we utilize the incredible political clout that gun owners in Wisconsin seem to forget they have.
Remember Sean Connery's line from The Untouchables? He said, "what are you prepared to do about it?"
Well, what are you prepared to do?
The district attorney from Milwaukee made a rare appearance, which means that they anti's know this bill is going to pass both chambers. DA McCann showed maps where there had been shots fired last year, and talked about how many rounds are fired in the bad neighborhoods each month. He didn't seem to comprehend the idea that these are gang-bangers and drug-dealers doing the shootings. McCann is a smart attorney and DA, but he really came across as not knowing what he was talking about.
State Senator Tim Carpenter kept harping on little details that mean nothing. I'm beginning to question how this guy ever got his high school diploma or even a GED. He cited VPC stats like gospel.
The anti's brought in a woman whose son was killed by another young man by negligent discharge. "The-gun's-not-loaded" syndrome. She talked about the "gun going off and shooting her son." I suppose she and her late son's killer are still friends, but she's not on the best of terms with the gun.
Our side had an "victim" as well: a young woman who was brutally and repeatedly raped and left for dead. Her sister was also raped. After her testimony and plea for a means to defend herself and her family, the chamber was eerily silent.
Darren LaSorte, our NRA/ILA representative, made one of the most compelling arguments for concealed carry that I've ever heard. The aforementioned Senator Tim Carpenter objected to having LaSorte testify, because Darren's not from Wisconsin. Carpenter got his yap shut in very short order.
The head of the Wisconsin Pro-Gun Movement, Jim Fendry, offered up one of the most direct challenges I've ever heard at a public committee hearing. After a few chair-polishing chiefs and sheriffs voiced their objections to the bill, Fendry suggested that they show their committment to non-violence by disarming themselves and their officers and deputies when they're off-duty. Fendry also was able to use his 20 years of experience as a police officer to rebut many of the bogus claims made by the chair-polishers.
The news media was out in greater force than they've ever been at previous CCW hearings. Again, this is a sign that the bills are going to pass.
So, how many gun owners will take the time to write or call their reps? We can win this. Honest to God, we can win this. But only if we utilize the incredible political clout that gun owners in Wisconsin seem to forget they have.
Remember Sean Connery's line from The Untouchables? He said, "what are you prepared to do about it?"
Well, what are you prepared to do?
Monkeyleg
Member.
Oh, ye of little faith. 
The world doesn't stop with a Doyle veto. He can be pressured to just let the bill sit for 30 days and automatically become law. It would be in the best interest of his party (not that he's ever given a damn about the other members of the Democrat party), so there's a slim chance that could happen.
The other alternative--and the most likely--is that backers of the CCW bill start courting Democrat lawmakers to vote for an override. There are roughly seven prospects on the senate side, each with their own axe to grind against Doyle. Over on the assembly side, there's representatives who would like a little political payback themselves.
And, then, there's the elected officials who operate on principles. We have a few of them, too.
Like I said, we can do it.
The world doesn't stop with a Doyle veto. He can be pressured to just let the bill sit for 30 days and automatically become law. It would be in the best interest of his party (not that he's ever given a damn about the other members of the Democrat party), so there's a slim chance that could happen.
The other alternative--and the most likely--is that backers of the CCW bill start courting Democrat lawmakers to vote for an override. There are roughly seven prospects on the senate side, each with their own axe to grind against Doyle. Over on the assembly side, there's representatives who would like a little political payback themselves.
And, then, there's the elected officials who operate on principles. We have a few of them, too.
Like I said, we can do it.
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