Withdrawal from Iraq and Ammo
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DoubleTapDrew
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It can go down. 9mm was ridiculously expensive in the 80s IIRC.
cbrgator,
You've been given some serious answers involving commodities prices and supply/demand economics. The problem is that the price if ammunition involves these and other factors that are not under our control. Troop reductions do not mean manufacturers will drop ammunition prices because of the price of materials and because without the government contracts the facilities may be mothballed instead of churning out ammunition to meet/exceed demand. We are dealing with a relatively small specialty market and the optimization of profit for the businesses involved do not always mean a significant drop in prices to the consumer.
IOW, there's no way to know because there are too many variables at work.
You've been given some serious answers involving commodities prices and supply/demand economics. The problem is that the price if ammunition involves these and other factors that are not under our control. Troop reductions do not mean manufacturers will drop ammunition prices because of the price of materials and because without the government contracts the facilities may be mothballed instead of churning out ammunition to meet/exceed demand. We are dealing with a relatively small specialty market and the optimization of profit for the businesses involved do not always mean a significant drop in prices to the consumer.
IOW, there's no way to know because there are too many variables at work.
HeavenlySword
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all the Democratic potentials were anti-gunners.
The free market is a brutal place. Companies are at the whim of consumers. However, government contracts are a sure thing for ammo makers. If a company can sell everything they can make to Uncle Sap for a set price, why should they take the risks of the civilian market? When the demand from the military goes down and manufacturers have excess production capacity, ammo prices will drop. I wonder how many years it will take to rebuild the militaries' stockpiles. Then, and only then, will civilian prices drop.
stevelyn
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Ammo pricing has been due more to the price of raw materials than anything else.
mljdeckard
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stevelyn is absolutely right. Metal prices went way up. Now they're going back down, but somehow I don't think they will drop the price of ammo as quickly or as easily as it went up.
Lone_Gunman
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Prices of metals are down.
Prices of fuel is down.
Eventually, that means ammo prices will go down. Unless they don't.
If you think Obama is going to pull us out of Iraq, you are wrong. We will maintain a sizeable force there for the next few decades. If anything, Obama will increase the number of troops in the mid east by sending more to Afganistan.
Prices of fuel is down.
Eventually, that means ammo prices will go down. Unless they don't.
If you think Obama is going to pull us out of Iraq, you are wrong. We will maintain a sizeable force there for the next few decades. If anything, Obama will increase the number of troops in the mid east by sending more to Afganistan.
IndianaBoy
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The high price now is all about the commodities market when they were buying raw copper and lead.
Both are down now so we should see some decline in price.
The dollar is weakening as well so it will likely be a wash.
Both are down now so we should see some decline in price.
The dollar is weakening as well so it will likely be a wash.
TEDDY
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Obama is having reality set in.he is not pulling all troops out and they are going to keep upwards of 90,000 troops there.the liberals are going into frenze about Obama,they expected a cake walk and all of a sudden he is balking.when the ammo companies finish of their supply of lead and brass and buy new may be the price will go down.but look at guns prices are way up.
some will come down but not all.
before WW2 colt 1911s were $32 and colt sixes were $13.mossberg 22 repeters were $7.50 and win 94 were $13.compare to now.I was payed .30 an hr in a machine shop in a factory.thats $12 a week.in 1958 I went to work in Ratheon as machine operator at $ 1.40 an hr.so you do the figuring you are not going to get $.19 hambergers again.
Obama is having reality set in.he is not pulling all troops out and they are going to keep upwards of 90,000 troops there.the liberals are going into frenze about Obama,they expected a cake walk and all of a sudden he is balking.when the ammo companies finish of their supply of lead and brass and buy new may be the price will go down.but look at guns prices are way up.
some will come down but not all.
before WW2 colt 1911s were $32 and colt sixes were $13.mossberg 22 repeters were $7.50 and win 94 were $13.compare to now.I was payed .30 an hr in a machine shop in a factory.thats $12 a week.in 1958 I went to work in Ratheon as machine operator at $ 1.40 an hr.so you do the figuring you are not going to get $.19 hambergers again.
CoRoMo
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I know that metal prices in general are falling, or at least that is the way metal prices are going in the business I run. Both manufactured and recycling prices are down. If lead and copper prices fall, there is still no guarantee that ammo prices will fall.
So... there is no way to know. Sorry that I'm not clairvoyant.
So... there is no way to know. Sorry that I'm not clairvoyant.
DoubleTapDrew
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Oh, I dunno. I have a feeling the United States citizens and their newfound love for the AR can shoot up however many millions of rounds per year the military uses if we were given a similar price for .223.
That said, I doubt that would happen. I don't know if Lake City is federally controlled but it seems all we got was factory seconds anyway. XM193PD bleh
The Joint Munitions Command of the DoD owns ammunition plants like Lake City. These are GOCOs, government owned, contractor operated. The headquarters for JMC is on Rock Island Arsenal and is responsible for munitions production (ammunition plants) and storage (depots) facilities in 16 states. JMC employs over 5800 civilians and 8300 contractor personnel. Of these approximate 14,000 personnel, 750 work in the headquarters on Rock Island Arsenal. JMC has an annual budget of 1.7 billion dollars and in addition to bombs and missiles JMC manages plants that produce more than 1.6 billion rounds of ammunition annually and the depots that store the nation's ammunition for training and combat. They do not respond to demand from the civilian market place. They regularly shut down part of the production capability and put it on standby or, during longer idle periods, mothball the lines when the government does not have the demand for ammunition.
Do not look for government surplus from US sources.
Do not look for government surplus from US sources.
I don't think there is any connection between the military and the current ammo price/availability situation.
The Iraq war has been going on for six years, and the current ammo squeeze has been going on for maybe two months or so. Prices may have been rising slowly from before that, but availability was no problem until very recently, and it took prices up with it.
I think it's all about the panic buying, same as AR's and other rifles.
The Iraq war has been going on for six years, and the current ammo squeeze has been going on for maybe two months or so. Prices may have been rising slowly from before that, but availability was no problem until very recently, and it took prices up with it.
I think it's all about the panic buying, same as AR's and other rifles.
1. Ammo going down, more than likely not, people are still buying it now, at a pretty rapid pace I believe, so they will probably not lower the price it may stabilize, but not go down.
2. We can't have a large buildup of troops in Afghanistan. If you want to know why from someone who was actually there, continue reading if not skip the rest of this message.
Look at a globe, or a map, Afghanistan is a land-locked country, there are no ports. So what we have planes right? Well we have to get permission to fly over a couple of countries, ok that’s not that big of a problem, but every soldier/sailor/airman and marine uses a certain amount of supplies a day lets say 12 pounds, water food, fuel etc... If it cant be flown in it has to be trucked in through Pakistan...that’s a whole thread in itself. The max number of troops that can be supported in Afghanistan for a sustained period is around 16,000 plus the 3-5,000 private contractors that are there. The Russians found this out the hard way, logistically it is impossible to fly that many fights to sustain even half the number of military personnel in Iraq in Afghanistan, Iraq has ports and we have trucks that distribute supplies all over Iraq. But hey I could be wrong they may just have round the clock flights and air drops to sustain 85,000 troops in Afghanistan.
2. We can't have a large buildup of troops in Afghanistan. If you want to know why from someone who was actually there, continue reading if not skip the rest of this message.
Look at a globe, or a map, Afghanistan is a land-locked country, there are no ports. So what we have planes right? Well we have to get permission to fly over a couple of countries, ok that’s not that big of a problem, but every soldier/sailor/airman and marine uses a certain amount of supplies a day lets say 12 pounds, water food, fuel etc... If it cant be flown in it has to be trucked in through Pakistan...that’s a whole thread in itself. The max number of troops that can be supported in Afghanistan for a sustained period is around 16,000 plus the 3-5,000 private contractors that are there. The Russians found this out the hard way, logistically it is impossible to fly that many fights to sustain even half the number of military personnel in Iraq in Afghanistan, Iraq has ports and we have trucks that distribute supplies all over Iraq. But hey I could be wrong they may just have round the clock flights and air drops to sustain 85,000 troops in Afghanistan.
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I think BHO will actually increase our commitments and I think the next place will be in Africa. There has been some horrible stuff that has gone on there in the last 20 yrs and I don't believe a black President would have put up with it. So no don't look for ammo prices to drop due to military cutbacks, still lots of dirtbags out there to send to their virgins.
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