Wolf doesn't work in my M&P15!

[Hoppy590]

Still it is a FACT that steel cased ammo in all calibers and by all manufacturers is less reliable.

well il let you know when these FACTS are revealed to me from god, as they appear to have been to you.

All of my problems with Wolf can be directly attributed to the ammo (usually primer related), not my weapon.

well if its a primer or a powder problem then the ammo didnt go BOOM or create enough force, then yes it would be the ammos problem. QC can also be the ammo's problem. being made of steel is not the ammos problem.

again as i said, if its not designed to run steel, then it probibly wont run steel well. its like saying your car is not designed to run on diesel. then you pour diesel in it, and blame the fuel.

Design, Design, Design.

 

[jerkface11]

Steel cases are more prone to stick to chamber walls. Polish your chamber and the problem should go away.

 

[cracked butt]

GIGO
Garbage in=garbage out

I've said it dozens of times before:
You wouldn't buy a new Corvette and feed it the lowest grade ethanol contaminated gasoline would you? Its the same thing with buying a high performance rifle and buying the cheapest crap ammo that you can find for it.


Yes I realize that it works well in some ARs and is cheap plinking ammo, or good enough for short range work for high volume shooters, but its still crap.

 

[Frog48]

You're better off.

Wolf functions fine in my Bushmaster, but I prefer not to use it. Mainly because accuracy is poor, and its dirty (compared to domestic brass loads).

I shoot tons of Wolf out of my AK and SKS, because I'm not terribly concerned with accuracy out of these guns, and not as picky about cleaning them.

 

[Funderb]

yay! another wolf bashing thread!!
Contact wolf, they will probably help you.

 

[briansmithwins]

Sounds like you have 2 separate problems when using Wolf ammo: 1) short stroking 2) failure to extract

1) Short stroking can be determined absolutely by loading 1 round in a magazine and firing it. If the bolt does not lock open you have short stroking. 1st fix is to clean and lubricate according to the TM, including the buffer and operating spring. Also check for signs of gas leaks at the FSB and at the carrier key.

2) Failure to extract can by caused by a dirty chamber or weak extractor spring. Again, clean and lube according to the TM. If that is not sufficent to prevent more FTEx then look at replacing the extractor spring. I use Wolff http://gunsprings.com/ extractor springs in our ARs and have excellent results with them. You can also add a o-ring around the extractor spring. Source the o-ring from your local hardware store for ~$0.30.

I don't know if the S&W ARs use chromed chambers or not. I have fired several cases of Wolf thru our ARs without a single FTEx. Those rifles are cleaned after use and have chromed lined barrels.

E-mail me of you need a soft copy of the TM.

Wolf doesn't make your hair fall out or cause impotence. Wolf is stinky, dirty, weak and not very accurate. I usually use it now for function testing rifles. 'If it runs with Wolf, it will run with ANY 5.56 spec ammo'.

BSW

 

[jlbraun]

Federal .22LR he bought, the round goes off, the slide cycles, and the case gets stuck in the chamber everytime.

As an aside, the reason for that is that Federal cartridge rims are slightly sloped towards the rear and don't have enough for the extractor to grab. I have the same problem with Federal in my CZ .22LR Kadet pistol.

 

[rino451]

Which wolf are you shooting? I've shot 100's of the boxer primer, steel cased, ploymer coated .223 through one of my Ar's with no cleaning at all. Never a problem. That wolf is a but under powered - 2790 to low 2800 fps - IIRC. My friends AR can't get through 3 rounds of it without a problem. Non-chromed lined chamber we think.

 

[buck00]

I will give Smith a call tomorrow. Thanks guys.

Not to be blunt, but I think you are missing the point of the responses. Your rifle is perfectly fine and sending it back would most likely be a waste of time.

Personally I have had Wolf jam in my AR and M1A (would fire but not eject). However, at the same range trip these rifles had no issue with Winchester or Federal ammo.

* On a side note, Wolf is not bad ammo. My SKS and AKs eat it up like candy.

The solution here is to avoid the lure of inexpensive Wolf .223 and commit to spending a little bit more.

 

[pgeleven]

Your rifle is perfectly fine and sending it back would most likely be a waste of time

+1
theres been a lot of good fact on this thread that you need to consider before sending your weapon in. some weapons CAN be prejudice against steel cased. my buddy tried Wolf through his mini-14 and he had never had so many problems before with any other weapon than that box of ammo. however my WASR eats Wolf like its a starving hobo with a balogna sandwich. you alreayd said that it eats brass ammo just fine, it would be best and pay a bit extra and treat your weapon to cleaner more appropriate ammo than the dirty russian stuff.

 

[RockyMtnTactical]

well il let you know when these FACTS are revealed to me from god, as they appear to have been to you.

Ridiculous response, hardly warrants a rebuttal. However, in the interest of educating those who are honestly seeking answers... Obviously I didn't get these facts in a vision from God. They are cold hard facts that you can bet on.

Steel cases are more prone to stick in a chamber than brass. There are several reasons that premium ammo doesn't use steel casings. If it were just as good as brass then brass would rarely be used, if ever.

What's the point in using a more expensive material that isn't any better? Maybe we should make cases out of silver, gold, or platinum??

well if its a primer or a powder problem then the ammo didnt go BOOM or create enough force, then yes it would be the ammos problem. QC can also be the ammo's problem. being made of steel is not the ammos problem.

again as i said, if its not designed to run steel, then it probibly wont run steel well. its like saying your car is not designed to run on diesel. then you pour diesel in it, and blame the fuel.

Design, Design, Design.

Not true. The round maybe didn't go off in the case of a hard primer, but not so in the case of a blown primer. This an entirely different problem I have with Wolf outside of the case being steel.

Also...

If a firearm KB's, it had has a little too much force... Would you blame that on the weapon as well?

I don't think design of the AR15 has anything really to do with it. As I said previously, my AR15's (and most people's high quality AR15's) run steel cased ammo just fine. And they run Wolf as good as any other firearms I have as well (including AK's, SKS's, etc...).

Let's go over the facts again:

1. Steel is inherently less reliable mostly because it doesn't contract like brass does after the round goes off. This creates extra friction between the chamber and the case.

2. 5.56 has very little taper on the case, also creating more friction in the chamber than in some other calibers (in contrast, 7.62x39 has an extreme taper) during feeding and extracting.

3. Wolf is marginally decent ammo. They don't have as good of QC as many other manufacturers. There's a reason you can get it for much cheaper than you can from higher quality manufacturers. It is even cheaper than most other steel cased offerings.

It works fine in my guns most of the time. I cannot think of one failure with Wolf that could be attributed to the firearm I was shooting it in. Never had a case get stuck in my AR15 chamber either, in any flavor of ammo. When I have seen cases get stuck in chambers (not in my guns, but in others' guns), the majority of the time it was steel case ammo, and not just with Wolf. It's just that Wolf has steel cases AND bad primers in my experience.

BTW, you still never answered my last question.