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Wolf "military classic" ammo?

Discussion in 'Rifle Country' started by goon, Jun 1, 2006.

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  1. goon

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    What is the difference between regular old plain Wolf 7.62x39 and the Wolf "military classic" that I have seen for sale online?
     
  2. The Real Hawkeye

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    I don't know for sure but I think the "Military Classic" is the old style lacquered cases. That is my best guess.
     
  4. Drue

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    I agree with Rexrider.

    Drue
     
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    Rexrider and Drue are correct. Now, if we could only see wide spread availability at reasonable prices all of us AK/SKS shooters would be happy.

    -jagd
     
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    I just saw it at the store, but I didn't check it out. Since normal FMJ Wolf has a hollow tip, mabee this means that it is full lead tip. Not sure though.
     
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    "Military Classic" just means it was made like it was in Soviet days-by political dissidents.
     
  8. The_Shootist

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    Militairy Classic?

    Probably ammo surplus to a militairy contract that they put in a fancier box so they wouldn't take a loss.....:D
     
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    It looks like the old lacquered stuff to me.
     
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    Now, if we could only see wide spread availability at reasonable prices all of us AK/SKS shooters would be happy.

    Some of us AK shooters have gone to .223 and aren't looking back. :rolleyes:

    Now if they just made a 20-round fixed magazine SKS chambered for .223 . . .

    jmm
     
  11. goon

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    Anything resembling decent 7.62x39 will most likely get sold these days, regardless of what kind of box they put it in.
    I was just wondering. I kind of liked the old lacquer. I guess some people had problems with it in AR's but it always worked fine in whatever AK or SKS I shot it in. I would really like to see Ulyanovsk available at a good price but I haven't seen any for probably close to two years.
    Oh well.
     
  12. Still 2 Many Choices!?

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    Goon,

    It was not the laquer on the case that was the problem in many AR's...
    It was the red primer sealant that Wolf used, and still does, combined with the straight-walled case of the 5.56/.223 cartridge. The laquer itself, was,"cooked" onto the case from what I understand, and would have taken more heat than the AR produces to remove. Now the primer sealant was seemingly applied by dipping the entire bottom of the case in a bucket of the stuff or something. This lead to it flaking off and gumming up extraction if the chamber was not cleaned with a brass brush every few hundred rounds or so... My AR ate up over half a case without cleaning, and without a problem except cleaning the chamber afterwards was a large PITA. The primer sealant had even worked it's way into my magazines, and buffer tube :scrutiny: :banghead: :barf: !!
     
  13. Bluehawk

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    straight-walled case of the 5.56/.223 cartridge???
    all this time I thought it was a tapered bottle necked case!!!! :neener:
     
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    When compared to the 7.62x39mm cartridge, the .223 Rem has a relatively minor taper. The x39 is much more significantly tapered, which eases in its chambering and extraction.

    When gunked up with the sealant, it's quite plausible the relatively straight case of the .223 would bind in the chamber.

    And, on that note, it's 1:40am. I think my bed's calling to me.
     
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    Bluehawk,

    Well the ,"comparitively straight-walled case", do you feel better now:confused: :banghead: ...
     
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    If you have to take a calipers to the case to be sure that it is tapered, I think that is close enough to count as a "straight-walled case".:neener:
     
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    Hmm box of truth had an interesting bit on powder fouling in the ARs with steel case ammo. It was repeatable with both lacquer and polymer wolf, but only if you mix brass and steel cases without cleaning the gun between.

    And yeah, "classic" is the old lacquer coated stuff. They probably either have a bunch of lacquer coated stuff they never got around to selling or they had a few vats of lacquer and decided not to let it go to waste. I dont think there was anyone really clamoring for lacquer coat to return, which is probably why it is being offered, but for chaeper than their standard stuff.
     
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    i thin what wolf is doing here, is picking a big bunch of milsurp caliber rounds, and making them all to former milsurp standards, 223, 308, 3006, 6.5 swede, etc.
     
  20. Don't Tread On Me

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    I think the laquer coating is the mil-spec. The poly coating stuff was made to please the American market - who they believed saw the laquer coating as a reliability problem (.223), and generally as a useless negative on the ammo. If there was ever a complaint on that ammo, or any reason to perceive it as cheap or junk - it was the laquered coating.


    Just what I've heard, might be BS. BTW...the poly coated stuff ain't that great. I've shot hundreds of them in my AR's with zero problems, but when I shoot Lake City brass ammo after a session of Wolf poly, the spent brass cases have that poly stuff all over them - almost as if 60% of the case got its own poly coating pressed on. That tells me that the poly stuff is leaving a film inside my chamber. No biggie.

    I'll keep buying and shooting it because it doesn't malfunction in my AR's. It's dirty, but then again, the AR is naturally a dirty gun, so who cares about 10% more fouling. It's all a mess in that rifle anyhow. Invest in brake-cleaner.



    (off topic)...this shortage of ammo goes to show how desperately dependent we are on foreign ammunition imports. All it takes is one Hillary to write the EO, or order the State Dept. to put a hold on that, and folks, it's all over for your AK's. It will be murder on AR's too, but not nearly as bad. Scary thought, but something that's been bouncing around in my skull. Her hubby put an end to U.S. surplus ammo sales. It isn't out of the realm of possibilities. :mad:
     
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