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Discussion in 'Handloading and Reloading' started by long shot vtr 223/308, Dec 29, 2011.

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  1. long shot vtr 223/308

    long shot vtr 223/308 Member

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    Would like to know if anyone in this forum has ever used wolf primers?
    They were given to me handgun & rifle :confused:
     
  2. kingmt

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    I use Tula that work great. I have several thousand Wolf but I have yet to load 1.
     
  3. AFK

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    I've never used them personally, but I have read good things about them and can't recall ever hearing anyone having a problem with them.
     
  4. bds

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    I have used the bronze/brass colored Wolf LP primers with consistent primer ignition.
     
  5. billybob44

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    Seating is VERY Important...

    You probably will find several thousand post on the Internet on Wolf primers..Most will all say GREAT primers..EXCEPT...Be sure to fully seat them.:uhoh:
    For me Wolf primers have worked just fine for the multi K's of them that I have loaded--just be sure to give them an extra "Push" when seating. It seems that they are just a little larger than Win/CCI primers.
    People that have had problems with them said that they would not go off on first strike of the firing pin:confused:--Went off just fine on second strike?? Well guess what??
    The first strike seated the primer..
    The second strike fired the primer..

    FWIW: There are several Pros out there that say that Wolf primers are the most accurate+consistent of any of the name brands..Bill.;)
     
  6. markdoddridge

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    They are fine, never had a malfunction at all. I bought a few thousand of each when they had them at graffs for $17 a brick
     
  7. Waldog

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    I have shot 10,000 small pistol and 5000, large pistol Wolf primers and never had a misfire. I have noticed that the cups differ in hardness from one lot to another. But, they have all fired.
     
  8. RandyP

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    They are all I have been using for 2 years now - always go bang just fine and the price can't be beat. I use their SPP and LPP.
     
  9. A Pause for the Coz

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    I use them in Small Rifle, large Rifle and large pistol. Seem to work fine for me. I think the cups are a little harder than others.
    I have about 10,000 on hand

    Hey were you guys getting the small pistol primers from? I have been looking for a year and have found none?
     
  10. CMV

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    How can you tell how hard the cups are or that there is variation? Do you get a different firing pin indentation or is there some other way to gauge hardness?
     
  11. bds

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    Yes - http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?p=7805786#post7805786

    These are Glock striker hits on "harder" primer cups (CCI SR and Tula SP primer cups)
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    Normal Glock striker indents in the front and light striker indent in the back (all primers ignited)
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    Harder CCI primer cup on the left even after primer ignition showing shallow indent and no "typical" Glock rectangle imprint (with softer cups, expanding gas pressure will force an imprint of rectangle hole on Glock's breach wall opening)
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  12. rogn

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    Wolf and Tula are accepted as being the same, same order #s same factory, etc. Ive shot a few K of them in all forms. The only problems Ive seen are with a lot of LRM that I've got. They are slightly oversized and are hard to seat in some cases. On the other hand if you have some loose primer pockets they'll give you a few more firings. In My and a couple of other WSMs, we've seen some hang fires and misfires, Aheavy, hard striking firing pin like Remmi 700 has little trouble with them-only 1 misfire in 500 rounds. Smaller lighter firing mechanisms like Savage or Browning give mis or hang fires around 5%.. I think my Howa has had hang fires but only one was readily ID'd. However,This is only 1 lot of Wolf brand. In fact the performance and accuracy with all the other forms has been quite exceptional. Most of the issues seem to stem from the slight oversize of the cups and the need to really seat them firmly.
     
  13. bds

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    For the thread where I am testing Tula SP primers (took some testing time off for Christmas shopping), will be continuing the testing using 45ACP cases with small primer pockets in Sig 1911.

    I am planning to do additional comparison testing and posting for Wolf LP, Tula LP, Winchester LP, CCI BR2 and Tula LR primers to include cup size measurements (diameter/height) and seating characteristics (flush, normal.004" below flush and .008"-.010" crush depth).

    So stay tuned on the thread - http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?p=7805786#post7805786
     
  14. res45

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    I use Wolf SP,LR,SR and LRM primer with no issues,if you have a firearm that has light striker issues with American or other standard primer you will most like have the same issues with the Wolf/Tula primers as well as they are a bit harder.

    I picked up most of mine for $15 per K and will buy more in the future.
     
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    Only thing is that I have not experienced any ignition issues with over 10K+ Wolf/Tula LP (bronze/brass colored) primers but experiencing ignition issues with Tula SP primer. Yes, the same pistol fires Winchester/Magtech/PMC SP and Tula/CCI SR primers without any issue. ;)

    I really do think there is Tula SP specific ignition issues attributed to harder primer cups, and hence my continued testing in Sig 1911.
     
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    Just curious....have you put a dial caliper or a micrometer on them to see how much they differ? I would but I don't have any Wolf primers.
     
  17. res45

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    I will check that out today and get back later on tonight,I'm off today and will be doing some reloading. I have Wolf primers in the sizes I mentioned as well as CCI,Win,Fed in several similar sizes.
     
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    Got it done didn't realize I had so many types,O well I guess that can be a good problem to have. I measure a sample of 3 each to get and average but they all measured the same. I don't have anymore of the copper cup primers.

    Small Pistol

    Wolf SP Silver cup 0.175.5"
    Win. SP Gold cup 0.175.5"
    CCI #500 Silver cup 0.175.5"
    CCI #550 Silver cup 0.175.5"
    Fed SP Match Silver cup 0.175"

    Small Pistol Magnum

    Win. White box with large red W logo.
    Silver cup 0.175.5"

    Large Rifle

    Win. WLR White box with Orange stripes Silver cup 0.211"
    CCI #200 New Packaging Silver cup 0.210.5"
    CCI BR#2 Silver cup 0.210.5"
    CCI #200 Old White,Red & Green box Silver cup 0.210.5"

    Large Rifle Magnum

    Fed. #215 Silver cup 0.210"
    CCI #34 Silver cup 0.210.5"
    Wolf LRM Silver cup 0.210"
    CCI #250 Silver cup 0.210"

    Small Rifle

    Wolf Gold cup 0.175"
    CCI BR#4 Silver cup 0.174.5"

    Small Rifle Magnum

    Wolf SRM Gold cup 0.175"
     
  20. Metal Tiger

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    Really nice bds. Great work and excellent coverage of the Tula SP primer.
     
  21. long shot vtr 223/308

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    Thank you all for the info on the wolf primers. To all have a great New Year day and good shooting in 2012
     
  22. Rodentman

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    I bought some Wolf primers for my .327 federal brass which seemed to have looser than normal primer pockets. I had no issue with them and the fact that they were $10 less ber thou than the other brands was ok with me. They seated well and did feel a bit tighter than CCI etc.
     
  23. Slamfire

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    I recently ran a test to compare velocities with my standard 30-06 match load of 168 SMK 47.0 grs IMR 4895.

    I do not recommend the use of Federals in Garands, Federals are the most slamfiring primers around, so I am not publishing any federal primer data in my Garand, because someone may think it might be an endorsement of use.

    I used the great old WLR nickel plated primers. These were made prior to 1999. Winchester changed their primers in 1999 to make them "more" sensitive and changed the primer color to brass. These brass Winchester primers have thinner cups than the older version I do not recommend their use in Garands/M1a's. I also do not recommend the use of brass WSR as primer piercing in my AR's ate up a handfull of firing pins at loads that never bothered the great old nickel plated WSR.

    Tula 7.62 primers were advertized by Graf as equivalent to CCI #34 primers. CCI #34 primers are advertized as being “mil spec” primers by CCI. Mil Spec primers are the only appropriate primers to use in Garands and M1a’s as they are less sensitive than commercial primers and greatly reduce the risk of an out of battery slamfire.

    Tula 7.62 and Wolf primers shot very well and I used Tula 7.62 a couple of weeks later in a match.


    30-06 Primer Test


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    [SIZE="3"][B]Colombian Mauser Match[/B]
    174 FMJBT White Box 1968 NM M72, Headstamp LC67 match, box velocity 2640 fps 
    							
    14 Nov 2011 T =  68 °F					
    							
    Ave Vel =	2698						
    Std Dev =	51						
    ES =	117	 					
    High =	2771						
    Low =	2654	 					
    N =	5						
    							
    174 FMJBT 47.0 IMR 4895  Lot L7889 thrown LC62NM CCI #34 OAL 3.30  	
    							
    14 Nov 2011 T =  74 °F					
    							
    Ave Vel =	2645						
    Std Dev =	12						
    ES =	42	 					
    High =	2671						
    Low =	2629	 					
    N =	10						
    Very good group							
    							
    174 FMJBT 47.0 IMR 4895  Lot L7889 thrown LC62NM Tula 7.62 lot 1-10 primers OAL 3.30  
    							
    14 Nov 2011 T =  74 °F					
    							
    Ave Vel =	2665						
    Std Dev =	9						
    ES =	28	 					
    High =	2677						
    Low =	2649	 					
    N =	10						
    Excellent Group					
    							
    174 FMJBT 47.0 IMR 4895  Lot L7889 thrown LC62NM Wolf NCLR lot 18-09 OAL 3.30  
    							
    14 Nov 2011 T =  74 °F					
    							
    Ave Vel =	2656						
    Std Dev =	15						
    ES =	36	 					
    High =	2677						
    Low =	2641	 					
    N =	9						
    							
    							
    174 FMJBT 47.0 IMR 4895  Lot L7889 thrown LC62NM Fed 210S OAL 3.30  	
    							
    14 Nov 2011 T =  74 °F					
    							
    Ave Vel =	2656						
    Std Dev =	13						
    ES =	34	 					
    High =	2674						
    Low =	2640	 					
    N =	10						
    							
    							
    174 FMJBT 47.0 IMR 4895  Lot L7889 thrown LC62NM WLR (Nickle)  OAL 3.30  
    							
    14 Nov 2011 T =  74 °F					
    							
    Ave Vel =	2665						
    Std Dev =	18						
    ES =	60	 					
    High =	2696						
    Low =	2636	 					
    N =	10						
    Excellent group							
    							
    174 FMJBT 47.0 IMR 4895  Lot L7889 thrown LC62NM CCI200  OAL 3.30  	
    							
    14 Nov 2011 T =  74 °F					
    							
    Ave Vel =	2680						
    Std Dev =	14						
    ES =	56	 					
    High =	2712						
    Low =	2656	 					
    N =	10						
    V. Good group[/SIZE]
    [​IMG]


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    [SIZE="3"][B]M1 Garand  BMR Receiver Douglas Barrel 1:10 twist [/B]			
    								
    150 gr FMJBT 1966 Ball 						
    		 						
    14 Nov 2011 T= 74 ° F						
    								
    Ave Vel =	2545				 			
    Std Dev =	20							
    ES =	68							
    Low =	2513							
    High =	2581				 			
    N= 	8							
    	
    	
    174 FMJBT White Box 1968 NM M72, Headstamp LC67 match, box velocity 2640 fps 	
    								
    14 Nov 2011 T =  74 °F						
    								
    Ave Vel =	2592							
    Std Dev =	28							
    ES =	103	 						
    High =	2647							
    Low =	2544	 						
    N =	10							
    								
    								
    174 FMJBT 47.0 IMR 4895  Lot L7889 thrown LC62NM CCI #34 OAL 3.30  		
    								
    14 Nov 2011 T =  74 °F						
    								
    Ave Vel =	2632							
    Std Dev =	20							
    ES =	60	 						
    High =	2671							
    Low =	2611	 						
    N =	10							
    								
    174 FMJBT 47.0 IMR 4895  Lot L7889 thrown LC62NM Tula 7.62 lot 1-10 primers OAL 3.30  
    								
    14 Nov 2011 T =  74 °F						
    								
    Ave Vel =	2582							
    Std Dev =	15							
    ES =	49	 						
    High =	2602							
    Low =	2553	 						
    N =	10							
    	excellent group						
    								
    								
    174 FMJBT 47.0 IMR 4895  Lot L7889 thrown LC62NM Wolf NCLR lot 18-09 OAL 3.30  	
    								
    14 Nov 2011 T =  74 °F						
    								
    Ave Vel =	2607							
    Std Dev =	17							
    ES =	57	 						
    High =	2642							
    Low =	2585	 						
    N =	10							
    								
    								
    174 FMJBT 47.0 IMR 4895  Lot L7889 thrown LC62NM WLR (Nickle)  OAL 3.30  	
    								
    14 Nov 2011 T =  74 °F						
    								
    Ave Vel =	2650							
    Std Dev =	19							
    ES =	68	 						
    High =	2688							
    Low =	2620	 						
    N =	10							
    Very good group							
    								
    								
    174 FMJBT 47.0 IMR 4895  Lot L7889 thrown LC62NM CCI200  OAL 3.30  		
    								
    14 Nov 2011 T =  74 °F						
    								
    Ave Vel =	2599							
    Std Dev =	22							
    ES =	75	 						
    High =	2637							
    Low =	2562	 						
    N =	10							
    Very good group	[/SIZE]

    [​IMG]

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    Target shot in competition

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  24. BeerSleeper

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    I think I recently read a thread where a poster said he got the most consistent chrony results using wolf primers.
     
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