Wolf through an AR?

[Gary G23]

It's not for everybody, as the above poster has pointed out. It depends on your useage.

For some of us though, especially those of us that are going to Knob Creek this weekend to blow up a car, it is just fine as long as it functions in your gun.

Read swingset's post. Do the math. I had a Bushmaster that I put 10000 rounds of steel cased ammo through in a year. Yes, at near the 10000 round mark I did break an extractor. It cost me probably six dollars and five minutes to change the extractor. I saved enough money on the ammo to buy a brand new gun though.

 

[swingset]

lets do a little physics shall we? it is steel cased. steel expands and holds heat longer than brass. steel contracts and loses heat slower than brass.
while it is in it's expanded state, is when your extractor will be trying to grab the rim, and yank it out of the chamber. Your weapon, man.

I like math better than physics.

How much does an extractor cost? How about a barrel?

How much will you save over the course of 10,000 rounds of Wolf? Enough to buy a new barrel (or three) and a bucket load of extractors.

BTW, your physics seem to fail the asphalt test. I have shot thousands and thousands of rounds of Wolf, and haven't replaced an extractor yet...not even a spring.

Inaccurate practice ammo would seem to detract from the value of practice. Since constant compensation for a seeminly uncontrollable variance will tend to enhance bad habits.

Depends on the practice. For CQB or general plinking, it makes zero difference. It's not ammo I would practice head shots at 300 yards with, however.

But, there's another point to this theory that's worth mentioning. Let's say you're practicing targets at 200 yards. If your Wolf is less accurate than Hornady TAP, how does it hurt your practice? You're still holding a given POA, but with Wolf the groups are larger. Did you not still practice your hold, trigger pull, aim and such? Your results may not look as impressive, but you're still keeping the gun steady and squeezing the trigger. If it matters, just switch to some good ammo at the end of the session to see how your results are coming along.

Sorry, I'm not giving up on Wolf....not for the reasons floated here.

 

[RH822]

Inaccurate practice ammo would seem to detract from the value of practice. Since constant compensation for a seeminly uncontrollable variance will tend to enhance bad habits.

Shooting is not all about practice. It's also about shooting just to have fun. I have far more fun with my AR when I know I'm not shelling out a small fortune for ammo. Wolf's been good to me, I'll stick with it.

RH

 

[Old Dog]

Darn it, Swingset, quit using logic -- don't you know this is the internet?
Actually, I'm with Swingset, RH822 and the others ... used tons of Wolf in my best ARs with never a problem. It's not match grade ammo, but as noted, it works, for me it's been as accurate as the mil-spec stuff I normally shoot, so if you're not shooting for scores, it's still fun ...

 

[Jorg Nysgerrig]

Post up some proof that it voids a manufacturer's warranty, if you're going to make those claims, because there is alot of misleading (or downright wrong) info on the internet.

Today I was looking at STI's site and saw the information below. It made me think of this thread:

Q. Can I use Wolf steel cased ammunition in my STI?
A. No. STI's warranty does not cover damage or unsatisfactory performance caused by steel cased ammunition.
http://www.stiguns.com/faq.html

Not an AR, but that made me wonder if I could find anything else. Here are a couple.

Use of South African (PMP) or Russian Steel Cased ammunition (Wolf) voids the warranty.
http://www.cavalryarms.com/warranties.html

Although Olympic Arms only warrants their firearms when used with new production brass cased US manufactured ammo, we would be remiss to think that the bulk of our customers do not use remanufactured, imported or reloaded ammo. We know that they will, and do. The reason that our warranty does not cover the use of this ammo is as much to protect you, as it is our product and our product.
http://www.olyarms.com/?rootView=page&page=ammo-warning

Lacquer Coated Ammunition or Steel-cased, lacquer coated ammunition
...
Please note that the use of re-loaded ammunition voids the factory warranty as well as the use of the above-mentioned types of ammunition.
http://www.dpmsinc.com/support/warning.aspx

 

[DMK]

Hmm, Bushmaster uses chrome lined 5.56 chambers. RRA, Oly and DPMS don't (except RRA on a few select barrels).

Draw your own conclusions... But all my ARs have chrome lined barrels and chambers. I'll shoot whatever goes bang, thank you.

 

[casio02478]

I use to be a big fan of wolf ammo but now I use it only for special purposes. What changed my mind is a recent exchange with wolf about ammo trajectory. I asked for the info and got a spreadsheet, but upon closer inspection the chart lacked unit of measure and at the same distance there are different values for the bullet drop. How can you explain on the SHORT RANGE TRAJECTORY chart it states that a 55g 5.56 will drop 1.7(?) at 200(?) while on the long chart it states the same bullet will be at perfect 0 at 200(?) . I questioned the company reps and they stated that they have no answer to my questions. This made me very worried, the company reps can't even explain their own chart? Is there any quality control here? :banghead: Now I only use the ammo for large volume class and practice under 100ms.

 

[blackhawk2000]

I can't say this enough times. The guns are cheap, the ammo is expensive. It is easy to shoot enough ammo in a year to pay for the gun. Extractors are cheap. Bolts are cheap. Ammo is not.


http://thehighroad.org/search.php?searchid=1985972

 

[nico]

How can you explain on the SHORT RANGE TRAJECTORY chart it states that a 55g 5.56 will drop 1.7(?) at 200(?) while on the long chart it states the same bullet will be at perfect 0 at 200(?)

maybe it was a typo and should have said it'll be 1.7" high with a 200yd zero. Not exactly the best reason I've heard to not buy a brand.

 

[Jspy]

I have a Bushmaster that always gave me trouble whenever I would go to the range. I always suspected the usual mag related problems as the culprit. I finally bought some Wolf ammo since I found some at a good price about 12-18 months back and thought what the hell, I can always get rid of it somehow. Anyway using my usual assortment of mags I have not had any feeding problems whatsoever. Now I actually look forward to shooting my AR instead of reaching over it for something else. The only difference is the wolf ammo. YMMV.

 

[deputy tom]

I like to error on the side of caution.I shoot wolf,silver bear,tiger brand etc. out of firearms made in the same eastern block countries that produced the ammo and with great results.I don't shoot it in my American made firearms.In them I use WWB,remington,cor-bon,etc.YMMV.tom.