Woman armed with shotgun blasts 'crazed' home intruder
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benEzra
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There, fixed it for you.
My wife and I both drink alcohol in moderation. We do not, however, make it a practice to attack people in their homes after doing so, and would both object to the label "slimeball."
ROFL!
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TexasRifleman
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Heck, if you knock nicely on the front door and tell me your coming I'll share a bottle with you.
Just don't climb over my fence, punch my dog, and throw my patio furniture through the back door
ByAnyMeans
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^^^^^^ agreed.
I'm somewhat in the middle of the road on this one. Granted, if somebody throws a chair or table or whatever through my back window and comes in at o'dark thirty, they're getting shot too. There's no doubt that this guy was a loon and it helps Mrs. Jackson that he was a known BG and had been in trouble with the law before. The one fact that I've found interesting, and I don't think anyone here references, is that he consistently called out "Pat" while pounding on the back door. His sister is named Pat and she was passed out in an overdose situation in a vehicle just down the road that was stuck. It's not a stretch to think that this guy was trying to get help for his sister.
Of course none of that justifies his actions nor the fact that he was (apparently) so drunk that he couldn't coherently ask for help for his sister. I just wonder if it might have had a different outcome if she had turned on a light and shown the shotgun and said "what the hell is wrong with you?"
The Oklahoma statue quoted by the DA requires there to have been unlawful entry into the home - interesting how the guys feet were "across the threshold". I wonder if his boot marks were found inside the home?
Of course it's very easy for me (and everybody else) to Monday morning this. It's a sad situation that the Jackson family will have to deal with as well as the dead guy and his family.
I agree with much of what Kimber45ACP had to say about the fact that Mrs. Jackson was a chatty cathy with the 911 operator. In a different jurisdiction her statements would have put her behind bars. Although I'd bet that many 911 calls go down just like that (but maybe not so long...!).
Of course none of that justifies his actions nor the fact that he was (apparently) so drunk that he couldn't coherently ask for help for his sister. I just wonder if it might have had a different outcome if she had turned on a light and shown the shotgun and said "what the hell is wrong with you?"
The Oklahoma statue quoted by the DA requires there to have been unlawful entry into the home - interesting how the guys feet were "across the threshold". I wonder if his boot marks were found inside the home?
Of course it's very easy for me (and everybody else) to Monday morning this. It's a sad situation that the Jackson family will have to deal with as well as the dead guy and his family.
I agree with much of what Kimber45ACP had to say about the fact that Mrs. Jackson was a chatty cathy with the 911 operator. In a different jurisdiction her statements would have put her behind bars. Although I'd bet that many 911 calls go down just like that (but maybe not so long...!).
SNK SKNR
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In a different jurisdiction her statements would have put her behind bars.
Why would that be?
Why would that be?
Deanimator
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I would consider some of her statements "injudicious". Fortunately, the DA had the ability (and common sense) to draw a difference between Carlos Hathcock and a middle aged woman.
In MOST places, she probably wouldn't have been charged, possibly even if the gun weren't registered where that's a requirement. On the other hand, I'm sure that Richard M. Daley or Eric Holder would fight to the death to prosecute her.
TexasRifleman
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If he was so out of it that he
1) Climbed a fence
2) fought with a dog
3) threw furniture through a door
Do you really believe that he would have had an epiphany at the sight of a flashlight?
Talk about a stretch....
It's quite possible that the sight of someone inside a home may have enraged him further rather than turned him away.
Well yes, that is why the DA said his boot prints were found on broken glass inside the home. He stepped inside after breaking the glass with furniture.
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Jonah71
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I think a couple of my neighbors would have had him on the ground before I had to use my gun.
Deanimator
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No, I had the chicken...
You're safe...provided you "get over" Macho Grande.
Three years ago I happened to be in Carolina visiting family. My brother called me on Saturday morning telling me a neighbor we both knew was in the hospital with a gunshot wound.
At about three AM a drugged up and rather large individual threw a chair through his front window. Billy's wife woke him and he grabbed his sidearm. The intruder entered their bedroom and was obviously disoriented (thought someone was chasing him). Billy ordered him out (later said he didn't want to shoot). The intruder lunged at Billy and they struggled. The gun fired striking Billy in the side. The intruder ran down the hall (toward the children's rooms) with the gun. Willie managed to retrieve an AR and ran after him. Over the next several seconds they exchanged fire (I've forgotten the number of rounds, but it was double digits). The intruder jumped back through the same window and died on the lawn. No was else was wounded.
The outcome could have been much, much worse. It's very easy for me to Monday Morning Quarterback Billy, but I wasn't there.
alsaqr
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It is not necessary for the perp to actually enter the home. A porch is considered a part of a dwelling.
"No, I had the chicken..."
I believe he actually said "That's right...I had lasagna."
Okay, back to your regularly scheduled programming.
My take on the whole thing...she was probably very lucky she had a gun...I think there was a good chance bad things could have happened had she not.
I believe he actually said "That's right...I had lasagna."
Okay, back to your regularly scheduled programming.
My take on the whole thing...she was probably very lucky she had a gun...I think there was a good chance bad things could have happened had she not.
I side with Kimber I do believe a fatality could have been avoided. True story just last week a coworker of mine who lives in apartment complex had a similar situation. Had a drunk try to pry his way into his apartment by way of glass sliding doors. He confronted the stumbiling confused drunk with verbal warnings; the drunk persisted and my coworker kicked the guy square in the chest and the drunk went scampering away.
Obviously I cant expect an old lady to judo kick the assilant, but a warning or two would have been more reasonable. I noticed alot of you guys are giving the lady kudos, keep in mind all we know of this guy is that he has a criminal past and he's an alcholic. When ever someone dies or is killed , someone somewhere has lost a father,mother,brother,sister etc...
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Obviously I cant expect an old lady to judo kick the assilant, but a warning or two would have been more reasonable. I noticed alot of you guys are giving the lady kudos, keep in mind all we know of this guy is that he has a criminal past and he's an alcholic. When ever someone dies or is killed , someone somewhere has lost a father,mother,brother,sister etc...
IMO
Justin
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Yikes. I've obviously been slacking off in my mod duties!
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