rdrancher
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Now that's just too stinkin funny right there. I spit prune juice all over my laptop.
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Worst Carry Pistol Option
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Now that's just too stinkin funny right there. I spit prune juice all over my laptop.
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With all due respect to the challenge to stand in front of a guy with a .22, .25, .32, or even .380, I face armed bad guys sometimes, and I find a serious service pistol in the hands of my opponent to be FAR more alarming than if he has a small-caliber pocket pistol. Sure, small pistols will kill, but service cartridges will do things like penetrate car doors, car windshields, walls, sturdy furniture, and other things that a pocket-pistol cartridge will not be likely to penetrate. Gunfighting is not just a toe-to-toe Hollywood skit, but a dynamic event involving movement, concealment, cover, angles, light, and such things. I do have a couple of tiny .32 handguns and a .380 Mustang, which I will occasionally find comforting in rare events where my .357, .40, or .45 simply cannot be on my person, but there are limitations of which I remain fully cognizant.
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I'm not going to volunteer to let you throw a handful of marbles, a sponge soaked with cat urine, or a box jellyfish at me, but that certainly doesn't make any of those good choices for self-defense.
Eightball
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An RG. In .454. Single-action, cocked, in a 12 o'clock carry option.
I'm still laughing about reading this.Jorg said:
Jamie C.
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Rexster, trust me on this one... you do NOT wanna use a car door for "cover" from even a .25 acp... 'cause Detroit ain't building 'em like they did back in the 30s, 40s, or 50s, and you will most likely get a hole or two poked in you.
I've done some shooting at junked car bodies. Most won't stop anything stronger than a Red Rider BB gun. Even a .22 from a short barrel will zip right through both doors without even slowing down much.
J.C.
I've done some shooting at junked car bodies. Most won't stop anything stronger than a Red Rider BB gun. Even a .22 from a short barrel will zip right through both doors without even slowing down much.
J.C.
Autolycus
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I think the worst carry would bea 1911 in .45 ACP. The gun is old and outdated. We have better technology that is lightweight, has more capacity, and has as much power as the old 1911 in .45 ACP.
Diamondback6
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Yeah, it's called a double-stacked, polymer-framed 1911 in .45 Super or 10mm Auto. 
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Walther P-22.
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Derringer in .45-70.
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The Remington style Double barreled Deringer.
A friend was killed when his deringer slipped from a shirt pocket when he reached down for his tackle box. The Deringer is balanced so that in tests it fell directly on the hammer about 8 out of ten times it was dropped no matter which way it was held when dropped.
Besides which they are often very difficult to cock for the second shot, and half those I've seen that had been fired much had a broken star making it a single shot from then on.
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The worst pistol of the Civil War was the Perin Pin fire.
One soldier fired his in the face of a confederate officer who was charging him with a sword.
The bullet cut through the officers hatband yet failed to penetrate a folded piece of newspaper stuffed in the sweatband because the hat was a loose fit.
It did daze the officer long enough for the soldier to disarm him and take him prisoner.
The same soldier said he loaned it to a buddy who tried to kill a pig with it and the bullets just bounced off its head.
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The HP22 is a very nice gun and a good tackle box gun, but its multiple interlocking safeties make it a poor choice for self defense. I constantly find that I've forgotten the separate hammer block.
Also the magazine can only be removed if the guns on safe then with the magazine removed you can't disengage the safety and the slide is locked forwards so you can't clear the chamber to clean it without going through too many steps to recount here. If you get one get a spare mag and leave it empty so you can put it in then disengage the safety and jack the round from the chamber. Then after cleaning the bore you'll have to clean any excess solvent from that empty mag.
Its actually easier to dismount the quick detachable barrel.
A friend was killed when his deringer slipped from a shirt pocket when he reached down for his tackle box. The Deringer is balanced so that in tests it fell directly on the hammer about 8 out of ten times it was dropped no matter which way it was held when dropped.
Besides which they are often very difficult to cock for the second shot, and half those I've seen that had been fired much had a broken star making it a single shot from then on.
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The worst pistol of the Civil War was the Perin Pin fire.
One soldier fired his in the face of a confederate officer who was charging him with a sword.
The bullet cut through the officers hatband yet failed to penetrate a folded piece of newspaper stuffed in the sweatband because the hat was a loose fit.
It did daze the officer long enough for the soldier to disarm him and take him prisoner.
The same soldier said he loaned it to a buddy who tried to kill a pig with it and the bullets just bounced off its head.
PPS
The HP22 is a very nice gun and a good tackle box gun, but its multiple interlocking safeties make it a poor choice for self defense. I constantly find that I've forgotten the separate hammer block.
Also the magazine can only be removed if the guns on safe then with the magazine removed you can't disengage the safety and the slide is locked forwards so you can't clear the chamber to clean it without going through too many steps to recount here. If you get one get a spare mag and leave it empty so you can put it in then disengage the safety and jack the round from the chamber. Then after cleaning the bore you'll have to clean any excess solvent from that empty mag.
Its actually easier to dismount the quick detachable barrel.
mgregg85
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The worst carry pistol option would be not carrying a pistol at all. Any gun is better than no gun at all and I'd rather have an NAA mini revolver or a 1895 Nagant than my bare hands alone.
tinygnat219
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Colin Doyle,
For the time period, it was actually quite a seller. I agree though and wouldn't consider one for TODAY's Concealed Carry needs.
For the time period, it was actually quite a seller. I agree though and wouldn't consider one for TODAY's Concealed Carry needs.
Colin Doyle
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They're indexed manually, right? It doesn't rotate when cocked like a modern wheelgun? (Yes, I realize "modern wheelgun" is a bit of an oxymoron... and I carry one!)
10-Ring
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I would nominate the AMT back up 380 as one pretty bad carry option
10-Ring
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I would nominate the AMT back up 380 as one pretty bad carry option (hate it so much I posted twice )
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It's better than nothing, but IMHO there are better choices than a 1 3/8" NAA mini-revolver in .22LR, unless you are carrying at a Speedo convention. I used to own one, years ago; neat little gun, finely machined, a hoot to shoot (sounded like a 9mm). But only 5 shots, velocity and energy out of the 1 3/8" barrel were pathetic, very slow to shoot, etc. To safely carry it, you need a pocket holster (otherwise it will fall out of your pocket when you sit down), but there are far more effective guns in .32 ACP that aren't much bigger and heavier than a NAA in a pocket holster. Finally sold it.
Why, Carrying The Worst Pistol Ever Produced Of Course.
Japanese Type 94 8X22mm Nambu Cartridge Pistol
http://www.everything2.com/index.pl?node_id=1118147
Japanese Type 94 8X22mm Nambu Cartridge Pistol
http://www.everything2.com/index.pl?node_id=1118147
tinygnat219
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Hard to argue with the Japanese Type 94.
The gun that's so reliable, it works when your trigger doesn't!
The gun that's so reliable, it works when your trigger doesn't!
Line Rider
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Llama 1911a1 clone
Serveral years ago I worked in a sporting goods and gun store. I remember on customer who came in looking for a holster for a 1911A1 clone. He had purchased a Llama .45 1911A1 style pistol. The only training this guy had had was one day at the range while in the US Navy. The USGI 1911A1 was the only gun had ever carried. He asked me to show his how to "break it down" in other words field strip it. I pulled the slide off and found the it had a plastic spring guide, the thinnest spring I've ever seen, and a plastic trigger.
It came with a cheapo set of stock that looked like they were make of old tires. It was also one of those fine Llama that would not take USGI mags.
I honestly hoped the guy wouldn't have to pull the trigger in anger, because I didn't feel that the gun would work.
Serveral years ago I worked in a sporting goods and gun store. I remember on customer who came in looking for a holster for a 1911A1 clone. He had purchased a Llama .45 1911A1 style pistol. The only training this guy had had was one day at the range while in the US Navy. The USGI 1911A1 was the only gun had ever carried. He asked me to show his how to "break it down" in other words field strip it. I pulled the slide off and found the it had a plastic spring guide, the thinnest spring I've ever seen, and a plastic trigger.
It came with a cheapo set of stock that looked like they were make of old tires. It was also one of those fine Llama that would not take USGI mags.I honestly hoped the guy wouldn't have to pull the trigger in anger, because I didn't feel that the gun would work.
CoRoMo
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This one would be less than comfortable... and highly noticeable.
Sorry Lightsped just had to use your baby on this thread!
Sorry Lightsped just had to use your baby on this thread!
Hey Coromo, didn't the Joker conceal one of those just fine in Batman?
I hear good things about CCI's Velocitor. 40-something grains of coyote-droppin' fun, and I've never had a single misfire, even from my short barreled .22LR B.U.G. Besides, if .22s are so inferior, why are there so many slayings with them every year?
"Is that a ridiculously long gun in your pants, or are you just happy to see me?"
I hear good things about CCI's Velocitor. 40-something grains of coyote-droppin' fun, and I've never had a single misfire, even from my short barreled .22LR B.U.G. Besides, if .22s are so inferior, why are there so many slayings with them every year?
ashtxsniper
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Worst carry option............High Point / Lorcin / Jennings
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