Worst-case concealed carry scenario?

[PabloJ]

The worst case we've had locally was a takeover of a electronics store by four armed gunman...I immediately stopped depending on a five shot revolver (without reloads) as a primary carry and had to think long and hard about a Star PD (.45ACP) which carried 6+1.

This is a fairly unusual number of BGs (due to their goals) and I think that three BGs in a business and one outside in a vehicle is more likely in a robbery situation...which is what I would most likely run into...this is based on many years of looking at local crime stats. To that end, I have standardized on a minimum of a 9mm carrying no less that 8+1 rounds. I also recommend that you carry a spare magazine.

Be aware that the best planned strategies are only good until first contact and a self-defense situation is usually very fluid

Light 5-shot .38 revolver is a lot better then tiny plastic framed .380 pistols people rave about now. I would wake up with cold sweats if I had to rely on one of those for defensive purposes.

 

[mgmorden]

Light 5-shot .38 revolver is a lot better then tiny plastic framed .380 pistols people rave about now. I would wake up with cold sweats if I had to rely on one of those for defensive purposes.

For what reason? Most of them have ballistics not too far off from a .38 snubby. Reliability on most of them is to the point that reliability compared to a revolver is statistically insignificant (several hundred rounds through my LCP and not a single malfunction, just like most every other person I've heard regarding them). Capacity is better.

What other than an irrational fear would make you "wake up in cold sweats" due to relying on a perfectly functional gun with a smaller size and higher capacity than the 5-shot .38 snubbies you're apparently happier with?

 

[Just One Shot]

Many, many, many bad scenarios come to mind. One of the worst would be a shooter that has taken a hostage as a human shield and is firing at anything that moves.

 

[easyg]

My worse case scenario:

On a vacation road trip, a stop at a remote location, and encountering a gang of armed thugs.

 

[gloucestergarand]

My worse case is on a daily basis...I work on a military post so per federal regulation, I'm disarmed by law. And as we know ala Fort Hood, when seconds count, the MP's/armed security are only minutes away.

My second worse case is to choose NOT to carry when out and about (not on a military reservation)...as that's the time you'll need it the most.

 

[leadcounsel]

Your death and/or killing an innocent person, followed by being arrested for something (to include a good shoot that is challenged by the DA).

 

[txhoghunter]

Okay I changed my mind.....New worst case scenario:

I am attacked and need my CCW while I'm at a gas station/rest stop in Maryland

 

[withdrawn34]

Lots of stuff, but mostly they all revolve around not being able to draw, aim, and fire in time before the BG gets me first, or some group takeover scenario where I can't fire without being shot by another BG behind me first.

 

[Diggers]

Lots of versions of worst out there.

This thread reminds me of an incident I read about.

An off duty LEO, armed with a G26, was in a fast food joint with his wife and kid. The LEO realizes the place was being robbed and the BG was in the back office area. The LEO tells his wife and kid to get out, and tries to get the other patrons out of the building too. The BG suddenly came running out from the back, the LEO challenged him and a fire fight started. BG got off 2 shots the LEO empties the G26 into the BG killing him. (This took about 2 seconds. I believe it was later timed in the security camera.)

One of the BG's two shots killed a 9 year old girl who didn't get out of the building before the shooting started. The LEO realized after the fact his own family was also still inside, the door they tried to use to get out was locked and they too didn't have time to get to another door.

The LEO's conclusions of the shooting were, basically, don't get into a fire fight unless you have NO other choice....and carry an extra mag.

 

[mljdeckard]

I'm not sure if it's a good idea to try to pin down in your head the 'worst' thing that can happen. It feels kind of like when that guy says; "At least it's not raining."

The whole point of carrying is to stay ready for anything.

Worst thing I can imagine would be some Katrina-style disaster, when I am armed only with a sidearm, my family is on the other side of town, and I have to walk through a war zone to get there.

 

[PabloJ]

European-American with akm or similar type of weapon opening fire at a "crowd" with me in it. Can you imagine facing Mini Drako?

 

[Aikibiker]

Quote:

is there any financially feasible way to add bullet-resistant rear windows and kevlar backseat panels to your vehicle?

I have no idea. Probably, but I imagine it’s on the expensive side. Despite that being my worst case scenario I doubt I’d justify the expense.

It would probably be better to drive a used car that wasn’t shiny and new or on the list of desirable cars to steal. That and stay out of neighborhoods where such things are more likely, be home at a reasonable hour, etc.

That doesn't address how I'd defend against a carjacking if it actually happened but as I said, I have no idea how to.

Bulletproofme.com sells custom made ballistic panels for $1.00 per square inch. Armoring a seat back or some doors to NIJ level IIIa shouldn't be to expensive.

http://www.bulletproofme.com/Briefcase_and_Backpack_Shields.shtml

 

[Manco]

One of the worst would be a shooter that has taken a hostage as a human shield and is firing at anything that moves.

That's bad alright, but if he's shooting, then I'm shooting back...very carefully....

Worst thing I can imagine would be some Katrina-style disaster, when I am armed only with a sidearm, my family is on the other side of town, and I have to walk through a war zone to get there.

Even worse, however, would be encountering government agents who will either disarm or kill you under orders (just like during Katrina). Evade if at all possible.

 

[JCallaway82]

Dead asleep in the middle of the night. Back door kicked in by an armed intruder. I have this reoccurring dream of it, and it messes me up everytime....

 

[macadore]

Reginald Denny incident http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reginald_Denny_incident

Nowhere to run and nowhere to hide.

 

[smince]

I carry a J frame w/reload, but how far will I be able to shoot the thing?..............

The absolute minimum gun I carry is my G26 with at least a G19 spare magazine. Most days it is a G19 with a G17 mag for a spare.

I don't own anything smaller so I won't even be tempted to walk out the door with a 'pocket pistol'.

Distance? The G26 is as accurate (maybe more so) as it's service-sized brothers. 100yds hits are definitely do-able with a little practice.

I shoot from in-your-face distance to the maximum I can get hits. Just because the average incident is at less than 7yds doesn't mean yours will be.

 

[The Lone Haranguer]

This topic seems like something more appropriate for S&T. But these are my "worst case scenarios."

1 - Mass public shooting ("active shooter" in today's parlance).

2 -Robberies where the perps exhibit wanton violence or herd people into a back room, likely to be killed.

3 - (saving the worst for last) Coming to the aid of another person when I have no knowledge of prior events or other critical information. Even though I am not personally in any danger, the aftermath, if I guess wrongly, could be a real nightmare.

 

[NOLA-5.56]

well, I don't have a CCW permit so I don't have a worst case for that scenario, but my personal worst case for when I open carry is when my hands are full, like at the check-out counter at a gas station or something like that, and someone behind me in line nabbing my gun. I'm not trained in Krav Maga or anything like that, so disarming someone is not my strong point.

 

[TexasBill]

There are too many possible scenarios to pick one, but the most disturbing are those in which I might be unable to defend my wife or children. In other words, failing to stop the attack before I get taken out.

There is no gun that I can carry that makes me a sure-fire winner. Best I can hope for is tilting the odds a bit. Every scenario presented starts with you, no cover (and likely, no concealment) and a holstered weapon that must be brought to bear before a BG can shoot you. Name me a gun that makes any of those less of a problem. In those situations, your best weapons are your brain and your training.

As for what I carry, it ranges from a five-shot J-frame to a 20-shot 9 mm. I actually have two J-frames, so I don't really worry too much about reloading them.

 

[oldbear]

For me, it would be a “take over “robbery with multiple bad guys when my wife was with me! I would have to do my best to be nothing more than a good witness.

 

[PabloJ]

TTT

 

[Gato Montés]

The worst possible scenario any of us will face is the one we haven't thought of yet, for it will be the one that catches us completely off guard.

Which begs the question; can we be absolutely ready for any and all situations we may have to deal with? I think not. At best we're playing odds here anyway, hoping that all out preparation will serve us in our time of need, but no one can realistically predict and train for everything, so I don't really worry about it.

I suppose if pressed my worst case scenario would be if I encountered a situation where I could save a loved one's life but for whatever reason wasn't armed. The guilt would kill me alone.

 

[thefamcnaj]

My worst case would be me inside a place where it is not legal to carry: place of worship,bank,an establishment that servers alcohol, etc... I don't carry into these places because the law says I cant. Now if a BG carries into one of these places and I so happen to be in there, I'd be helpless. I always feel worried in any of the above mentioned places because my gun is out in the truck useless as can be

 

[sixgunner455]

Nasser & thefam - read up on the Luby's massacre in Texas. It's one of the incidents that lead to Texas getting CCW. There was a lady in the restaurant who watched her mother and father get murdered - who had left her revolver in the truck because it wasn't legal for her to carry it, and had multiple clear shots at the shooter that would have enabled her to end the incident before he killed her parents, had she actually had her gun in her purse.

That would absolutely suck.

Her story is on the Net. She later became a Texas state rep or senator, and fought hard to get shall-issue CCW.

 

[helitack32f1]

My worst case would be me inside a place where it is not legal to carry: place of worship,bank,an establishment that servers alcohol, etc... I don't carry into these places because the law says I cant. Now if a BG carries into one of these places and I so happen to be in there, I'd be helpless. I always feel worried in any of the above mentioned places because my gun is out in the truck useless as can be

Where do you live that you cannot carry "in a place of worship, or a bank'?