Worst production 1911?

[Gun Master]

Norinco Worst , Bumped From Dan Wesson ?

Ok, who was the one guy who voted for Dan Wesson as the worst - Geeze!

Shipwreck, see postings # 30 & 31.

I know Dan Wesson is touted as top of the line, but Norinco is nowhere near the bottom.
From all I've read and heard, the Norinco .45 1911 clone is fairly decent, in it's price range. I've never owned or shot a Norinco 1911, but have often looked for one as a shooter. The only two Norinco products I ever bought were: New SKS and used Tokarev Model 54 (TT-33 clone), and have been well pleased with both.

 

[MagnunJoe]

So far, I'm actually happy w my cheap CDNN $415 (after rebate) Para no thrills 1911 that I purchased last year.

 

[peacebutready]

...then para from the beginning of their move to the U.S after being picked up by the garbage man himself cerberus. Then there is the Remington R1 it is made by para and comes with all those wonderful para features including the weak castings (the reason why it can't handle +p even if you swapped in a stronger barrel) the para castings are famous for cracking.

Para starting having issues circa 2004, which was before they moved here. This was when one of the two founders died and the other one fired a lot of employees.

I didn't know the R1 was made by Para but read the Para name is going away with Remington remaining.

 

[SwampWolf]

Quote:
Originally Posted by WC145 View Post
If you've never heard of Clark Custom Guns and Jim Clark your knowledge of the 1911 and it's history is severely lacking.

Quote: Just got done with looking them up. Its a very High end custom shop that had its hey day befor I was born, was started by a compitition shooter that retired (from compitition) when my mom was 9, and died when I was ten.
I would feel safe in saying that they are fairly obscure to the vast majority of the under 35 crowd short of those that That have been intressted in the fading sport of nra bullseye competition.

The forum is not age specific. Clark Custom Guns is an enterprise well known for making custom/semi-custom pistols for many types of shooters (i.e., not just Bullseye competitors) by most people interested in all things 1911, regardless of how young or old they might be. So, before you asked the question "Who the hell is Clark Custom?", you might should have "looked them up" first.

 

[Old Scratch]

My worst 1911 experience was with a Colt Series '70 manufactured in the late 1970's. With factory hardball it stovepiped every other round. Rather than adjust the extraction and ejection, my local expert custom gunsmith butchered the slide by lowering the ejection port (I knew no better back then). Later, the disconnector failed and had to be replaced. Later still, the thumb safety snapped right off. Not as bad as some, I'm sure, but still rather a letdown considering Colt's reputation.

 

[Thermactor]

As far as the comment about contradiction goes, there was popular demand later in the thread to include certain manufacturers so that changed the circumstances.
It's a matter of reading comprehension really.

 

[Gun Master]

Worst 1911

I was viewing my subscribed threads. Looks like Llama won this one, hands down, at almost 23%. I whole heartedly agree.
I'll keep this thread open. Might come in handy the next time I get a hankering for a 1911.

 

[HisSoldier]

Wyoming Arms,
A "semi" 1911, the ejector fell out every time you field stripped it, and that wasn't considered a defect, it was designed that way!

Makes Llama's look pretty good by comprison. I loved my AMT Skipper, but I had to tweak it a lot, and that was long before I knew anything about 1911's, 1980 or earlier.

 

[.455_Hunter]

My brother has a Llama he bought NIB in the early 80's. Very accurate and reliable with ball ammo (not so much with JHPs). The problem now is if you have it in condition 1, squeeze/release the trigger, and then take off the safety, the hammer will drop to half-cock. Just last month, our local Cabela's had an almost unfired "end of production" parkerized, Commander-sized Llama in the used case for $199.

 

[jigglyjames29]

Except for the fact that World Champ Jerry Miculek married his daughter

...what

 

[Detritus]

...what

Kay Miculek, is Jim Clark Sr's daughter....

 

[Gun Master]

Uh-huh, see posting #57 . I missed that the first time around.

 

[JDR]

My friend had a Colt MKIV 70 series government model with the collet barrel bushing. His was one that had the slide interference fit problem, and he broke the fingers off 2 collet bushings before he had a solid bushing fitted by a gunsmith. The fact is that most of these collet bushing guns actually worked fine, but the ones that had the slide interference fit problem tended to break collet fingers repetitively. Back in the day, Colt took a beating on these guns, Springfield jumped in and took over 1911 market share from Colt, and the rest is history.

 

[sfed]

I talked with a guy (cannot remember his name) at Clark Customs in regards to the 460 Rowland conversion for my Sig Sauer 1911, he told me that the only problem I might have with the conversion is that Sig Sauer pistols are very tight tolerance wise, he said the more rounds the pistol had been shot the better the conversion would work in my particular pistol. I was told that I may have to change springs to find the one that worked best for my particular pistol. He also said that they do not recommend any Philippine made 1911 at all for conversion, also he stated that Taurus makes an excellent pistol for conversion to the 460 Rowland, I was surprised at that information. He also reminded me that the list of pistol makers on the website were also excellent pistols for conversion to the 460 Rowland. That conversation gave me a lot of information about the quality of 1911 makers out there.

 

[peacebutready]

Back in the day, Colt took a beating on these guns, Springfield jumped in and took over 1911 market share from Colt, and the rest is history.

I'm trying to recall who lost a lot of market share when Kimber got into the game. I'm not referring to their recent guns, of course.

 

[peacebutready]

he stated that Taurus makes an excellent pistol for conversion to the 460 Rowland, I was surprised at that information.

That conversation gave me a lot of information about the quality of 1911 makers out there.

I never would have guessed Taurus. Did he say why?

 

[Detritus]

I never would have guessed Taurus. Did he say why?

can't say for sure but, probably something along the lines of, good frames/slides (ie good steel) so they make a good platform to build from. But the small parts and QC suck

 

[jigglyjames29]

Kay Miculek, is Jim Clark Sr's daughter....

ooooohhhh
I interpreted it as he married his own daughter.
This makes much more sense.

 

[sfed]

His opinion was the frame materials of the Taurus 1911 were superior to many other manufacturers of the 1911 pistols in general.

 

[peacebutready]

can't say for sure but, probably something along the lines of, good frames/slides (ie good steel) so they make a good platform to build from. But the small parts and QC suck

His opinion was the frame materials of the Taurus 1911 were superior to many other manufacturers of the 1911 pistols in general.

Good quality steel is one thing; the dimensions of the slides, frames, cutouts, pin holes, etc., can be another thing.