would you be upset if your family tried to dictate how you carry?

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I'm sorry to hear that some peoples' families are even more dysfunctional than mine. :rolleyes:

Spiff, it takes more than 5 seconds and saying "I said so" to educate a person. Especially when it comes to safety issues.

When I'm at the range I don't want anyone pointing a gun in my direction, whether they think it's loaded or not. Maybe your brother has some misunderstandings about how firearms work and what states are more dangerous. You know what? So does 95% of the planet (and I'll wager a few people here too).

If you can't even work things out with your gun-owning brother, you can't possibly help with the bigger problem of public hostility.

Apologize to your brother (for your reaction, not for your principles) and offer to pack a revolver when you're at his place. :)
 
JUST DO IT!!!

My carry gun is always in the same state of readiness, always in the same places relative to where I am. No one is going to change any aspect of this except me. First time you drop a hammer on an empty chamber you emptied to please someone, and then forgot, or reach for a gun that has been moved, could be your last. Had a girl friend that is afraid of guns and knives, would move stuff around, even hide stuff. She is gone. If she can't sleep with a 12 ga. pumpgun racked next to the bed, she can sleep anywhere else.
Don't even discuss the issue, just do your thing.

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but think about your question for a moment. home invasions do happen, while the residents are at home. what good does is a defensive weapon if it isnt in ready condition?
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From what I've heard of home invasions, they;re usuaally there for something and come in with guns drawn but not blazing, and instruct the occupants to get the money or drugs etc. It takes two seconds or less to draw and rack the slide, not long. You'd still have a very good chance of coming out on top. You'd have to be a little tactical about it though.

Doesn't he lock his doors? That'd give you time to chamber right there. If they made it in and you're sittin on an unchambered gun, I'd try to seperate them with a "its in the crawlspace", "Its downstairs" or something. Either he goes to look, leaving his buddy there, or he goes with you to make you retrieve it. Either way it separates them incresing your chances to be able to draw & chamber. Not a good scenario, but not likely that it'd happen anyway.

I don't think it would make that much of a difference. It'd be grim either way. Probably depends on the level of contention your family holds. Your brain's still your primary weapon. Given the odds, I'd go for securing family relations. But thats me and I dont know your family situation. Good luck with whatever you decide. My family's all gun nuts so I don't have to deal with that aspect. Family is important though. I would respect his wishes inside his house only, once outside, all bets are off. If they didn't want to go to a restaurant while I was chambered, that'd be his problem.
 
Sometimes even close family isn't worth the fight. Just because they're related by blood doesn't mean you have to pander to their every wish.

If you were in his home, I'd be more accommodating to his point of view, but otherwise, no. I think you did the right thing.
 
Wow.

I didn't know such families existed. No one in my family would ever consider making such statements. Half the time when you go visit them, their pulling out their latest/greatest to brag about. As a matter of fact, I can't even think of one of my friends that would try to dictate what you carried, even inside their home.

However, a person can place any requirements they want on visitors to their home. If that requirement has anything to do with me not carrying a firearm the way I want, I won't be visiting.
 
The extent to which a person is prepared to defend themselves is a PERSONAL decision with PERSONAL consequences. If another doesn't like it - tough. They make their own personal decisions. I do not allow anyone to smoke in my house. Extreme? Unfair? Maybe. But it is MY house and I don't want either myself or my grandchildren breathing smoke unnecessarily. You can either abide by my wishes or do not enter my house. If a relative, or a friend, or anyone else does not want me carring a firearm into their house, or wants to qualify how I carry a firearm into their house or in their presence - fine. I will not enter their house or be in their presence. This, in fact, contributed to the recent termination of a long-time friendship of my own. He did not want anyone carrying a firearm into his house, so I no longer enter his house. My issue (smoking) is one of personal health. His issue (carrying) is one of trust. If a person trusts you enough to ride in a car you are driving - or trusts you enough to consume food you have prepared - why would they not trust you when it comes to carrying a firearm?
If anyone makes the conscious and voluntary choice to not trust me - I have no choice but to not trust them.
 
Ya know, all this is pretty irrelevant if nobody knows you are packin, in my case it is concealed and I don't discuss it with anyone. I carry in ways where I would NEVER have to remove the gun around folks. This thread can be a lesson to everyone to keep quiet and pack it the way you want to;) .......tom
 
Have a heart to heart with your brother. Talk to him about how it hurts you that he doesn't trust you. Don't talk about it tactically or logically, doesn't sound like he (or any other person with anti tendencies) would respond to anything but heartstring pulling.

Logic vs. Emotion, a classical debate. "I don't like it" as a reason is the hallmark of a small mind. I'm sure he's great about other things, but on this issue, he could use some work. I have the same issue with my mom about carrying a knife. As a minor, she doesn't want me to. But of course she wants me to get guns when I'm older to protect her when she's an old lady. She doesn't seem to get that she can buy guns NOW instead of waiting. Antis, what can I say?

If he still doesn't want you able to defend yourself around him even though you've explained to him that it hurts you that he doesn't trust you, and that might drive a major wedge between you, then there it is. You'll have to either compromise your principles, or lose contact with blood.
 
My response to demands from unreasonable family members has always been a sympathetic, "I understand."

Then I go and do whatever I think is best, with no further discussion.

Pretty straightforward, really.

pax
 
Actually, my mom wants to get into CCW. My stepfather on the other hand doesnt see a point to CCW or having more than a loaded .22lr in the house.

My mom is rather weak wristed, so I am thinking that I want her to have a revolver. Really simple to operate too. Unfortunately, I cant get into CCW, so getting her into it will take a little work. I am going to try to get her to a range and rent one. Is a 4" barrel too long for CCW in a fanny-pack?

My dad on the other hand doesnt like loaded guns in his house. He is relatively open to logic, ala "If its for defensive purposes, an unloaded gun is a club, and not a gun." He seemed to agree.
 
revlar,
I don't smoke, never have and never will.
There is no smoking allowed in my house or car either.

I have a few friends that smoke and they are more than welcome to carry their cigarettes in my home and car. Since all of them are curtious and responsibe, I don't require that anyone remove the flint from their Zippo.

So far I haven't had to worry about spontanious combustion releasing any deady tar & nicotine filled smoke in my proximity.
 
The only thing that's been said to me was my Dad. He said, "I wouldn't carry a gun cocked and locked," but he didn't tell me I couldn't do it around him! :D

If I was around someone who wasn't crazy about guns and made a statement like that to me, (how I should carry), I'd probably just excuse myself from the situation.
 
Seems like a simple and correct resolution. If he doesn't want a round chambered while in his private home, and you don't want to carry without one, each goes their separate way with no hard feelings. Of course, with my family there would be plenty of hard feelings on their side.

Ain't freedom of choice wonderful?
 
If you love the 1911 but want to keep peace in the family, why not opt for a Para-Ordnance LDA. with the hammer down and the safety on, it doesn't present the same menacing (to the SHEEPLE) look that cocked and locked does, when in fact it is.

I tried explaining the 1011s multiple safeties to Antis, and it was just like talking to a wall. Now when they see my weapon, no negative comments are forthcoming.

Or as has been said, just carry a revolver.
 
I can't undetstand why anyone suggesting complying or trying to compromize in this situation. To me compromize is not even worth considering. My life is more valuable to me then others view about guns.
 
I would have to politley say no thanks if someone in my family said that. About the only thing I do when i go to someone's home is put the safety on. That way, if someone realizes Im carrying and asks if its loaded I can say sure but the safety is on. Hopefully that will ease their uninformed nerves. Usually I carry my walther ppk/s chambered safety off since the first shot is double action.

Of course I may eventually add a keltec to my collection so it would be very difficult for anyone to notice :)

Mark
 
coincidentally, i do want a para! a couple of them in fact....

i appreciate the comments advocating patching things up, but i'm one of the few who really wouldnt be crushed if i had no family around. i've been a loner most of my life, maintaining only a handful of friends and even that is kept at short periods of time.

between THR and playing MOHAA online, that pretty much is my entire social life. pathetic, huh? but ya know what? i couldnt be happier than when i am alone.

i've never had a close relationship with my brother. growing up, i hated him because he was physcially abusive, and he hated me cause i was a PITA. it wasnt until i was about 21 before i found that we had some of the same interests and therefore a reason to hang out with him and his family.
i dont even have a relationship with my sister, shes a drug addicted lowlife scum and an unfit mother. its been almost 7 years since i talked with my father, heck, i can count on one hand the exact number of times i've seen him since i was 3 yrs old.

dysfunctional family? i dont even have the slightest idea of what a loving family is like. i've seen it among others, but never experienced it.
 
. . . a couple other family members have commented upon seeing the hammer cocked.
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Uhhh . . . doesn't concealed mean CONCEALED? ;)

Anyway, I'm really the only "shooter" in my family, and I follow a "don't tell" policy. When cousins, aunts, uncles, etc., visit and we go out to eat or something, I carry concealed and don't say anything. No reason to advertise.

If I take my mother - who doesn't shoot - somewhere, she asks "Browning or Glock today?" and "Do you have your wallet with your carry license?" (Carry-over habit from checking to make sure I had a hat and gloves back when I was a little kid.)

She hasn't told her sisters I pack, either - she's smart enough not to advertise.
 
Neither my family nor my friends have the right to tell me how to live my life.

If they try to force the issue, they can stop spending time around me.
 
I guess I'm lucky in that my family is totally cool with my carrying, even though most of them don't own guns at all. The only time my mom has ever mentioned it at all was to ask me where it was after I came home drunk. I was home on leave and went out with friends. Knowing that I'd be drinking, I left the gun in the glove box and the car at a friends place of business, and had a friend drive me home. My mom was primarily concerned that someone might steal my car and get my gun too. After taking a shower I went and retrieved my car and my gun, all safe and sound where I left them.

My other family members know I carry and not one of them has the slightest problem with it.

My fiance is so cool with it, she paid for my FL non-resident permit as a Christmas gift two years ago. Now, that's love! :D

Frank
 
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