Would you feel good about killing in self defense?

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Would I feel "good" about killing someone? Hell no.
Would I feel glad that I was able get out of the situation alive? Yes.
Would I be supremely P-O'ed about something so awful happening to me? You betcha.
 
Buddhism teaches us that "Existence is suffering." That seemed, somehow, relevant to this thread.

My deepest sympathies to soldiers who have come home and cannot sleep. I once read a quote that said, "The world is divided into those who can sleep and those who cannot sleep."

I think the only time that a person could kill a bad guy and feel good about it is if the shooter had a personal vendetta against that specific bad guy. The whys, whereforths, and such regarding what the bad guy did to embitter someone that much are for a different thread.

In all other scenarios, my gut tells me that to feel good, exultant, and so forth about having extinguished a life is indicative of mental unhealth. I can't predict what I would feel in that scenario--ask others have asked before me, who can, unless you've been there?--but swirling amongst everything would be sadness, because there is always the possibility that the bad guy might have turned his life around at some point. Again, another quote--"One is allowed to go free, so all are allowed to hope."

No 2 people are going to see the matter exactly the same way. That is part of what makes us human. You don't grow by listening to yourself, you grow by listening to the wisdom (and, occasionally, stupidity) of other people. Then you can learn from yourself.

Blessed be.
 
Like others have stated, I really don't know that this will be read-- being so far into the thread. But I felt like I'd respond.


I'll probably take this down a few avenues in order to make a real attempt to answer the question thoughtfully. Please bear with me.

Also understand this:

I anticipate that I will make a couple statements that address those who have actually had to take a life in combat. I mean no disrespect to those persons or the service they have given to this country. But I will also not avoid this point as it has been introduced into this discussion by those that have.


I also apologize that I cannot simply give a "yes" or "no" answer with a brief supporting statement. It simply isn't that easy to do with a question like this one hanging out there.


To answer whether I'd feel good about taking a life... well, it depends. I've spoken to those that have had to do such in combat. There is a certain stoic quality to the emotions of one that has been in such a position in the course of combat. You see... you are ordered to perform a function, and likely the person you shot was the same as you.

I remember a story my grandfather told me about his days in WWII. He came to that place in his own mind after a particularly bad firefight. After the fight, he actually laid hands on and said a prayer for a young man that had fallen by his shot. He pondered that they were very similar and could have been friends if circumstances had been different.


But temper that story with one he told of being pinned down in the hedgerows of Normandy by a Nazi sniper...

After seeing several men shot, and being pinned down for hours, he finally got a bearig on where the Nazi sniper was. My grandfather was what we would call a Designated Marksman in the unit. I remember him telling the story while smoking a pipe on his front porch just prior to his dying 4 years ago.

My grandfather said... finally something snapped in me. I couldn't take it any longer. After he shot once I jumped up and emptied my rifle into his location. He took a couple puffs of his pipe and let a silence linger with the smoke a few breaths. Then he said.... "Come to think of it... I killed that Son of a Bi^ch." Understand that this comes from a man who dedicated his life to the church and specifically to the Gideons-- a Christian organization of volunteers.


I long pondered those two stories. I felt the weight of each of those stories drapped over me like a hand-made quilt. With the first story, I felt the insanity of it all. I could sense my grandfather's dissatisfaction with the sheer mechanization of killing in warfare. Somewhere inside of him, he had to make peace with the fact that he killed people that he did not want to kill, and likely did not want to kill him-- but did because both were following orders.

On the other hand, I could feel my grandfather's lingering sense of anger towards the sniper he shot. He had watched friends die from those well-placed shots. He watched this for hours. At some point within those hours, it it became a personal thing for my grandfather. At some point, this Nazi was not seen as taking orders, but making choices. My grandfather, I believe, did not feel the same pange of dissatisfaction in that event.

My point with this...

There is a significant difference between a man following orders and a man making choices. Respectfully, those that have been in combat are making a comparison that may not be fully explored.

I can respect that you are dealing with it in your own way, but I think it is folly to extend that to others in situations that are materially different.


Now to another point.... personal ethics and worldview.


I don't think any discussion of this can be made without my making the following disclaimer:

--I DO believe in an afterlife. This does have a tremendous bearing on the foundation of my beliefs.


--I should also disclaim that I have made no secret that I espouse the "Savage Garden Worldview." I do not discount the primal and vestigial animalistic insticts remaining within human nature.

-- Finally, I should disclaim that I am a Nietzchian by philosophy. Through my bachelor's in Philosophy and Religion, I emphasized in the writings of Friedrich Nietzche and while I don't support all of his positions, I cannot deny that many have resonated within me and perhaps have been co-opted into my views.



OK... on to it then...


I've seen repeatedly in this thread statements like "I would not feel good about it, but I would be happy to have survived."

To me, survival isn't the end-all goal. Drawing another breath upon this world is not the paramount goal to my existence. The MANNER by which I live is greater than the length of time that I exist in this mortal form. I'd not suffer the world with my existence if I were not able to be worthy of the life that I have. I am fortunate that I have made financial arrangements for my loved ones should something happen to me, and I have a strong family support for those that would remain. They would be OK. Oh, I would not relish something bad happening, but if I ever had to choose, I'd prefer that however my life ended would be consistent to the life I've lived.

I'm not making the insinuation that those who make statements I have highlighted are not worthy. Please don't think that... I just felt that this beared commenting upon. Hopefully, it fleshes out my views.


Now...


Personal Choices and Personal Responsibility-- that is the crux of any situation. A person that puts me into a position of making such a choice himself made a choice. They CHOSE to bring this situation upon both of us.

It becomes a potentially lethal "contest" of sorts. A person has chosen to put the stakes of lives upon the line. I suspect that they would not mourn overly much should it prove that my life is forfiet in their little contest. Should I feel any pangs of regret or remorse should it prove that they themselves forfieted their lives? Remember... it would be they who chose to bring this "contest" to reality and chose the wager of such a "contest."

It would not be upon me to feel joy or regret for the consequences of another's actions. Does that sound utterly dispassionate? Sadly, it does to me as well. And yet, I cannot escape the realities of it. If I were to feel joy, that would imply my choice in the matter. Equally so, feeling regret would imply my responsibility in the matter. I'll do neither in a situation forced upon me by an immoral person.

I am reminded of a passage from Friedrich Nietzche's Thus Spoke Zarathustra, Part II:

You have made danger your vocation; there is nothing contemptable in that. Now you perish of your vocation: for that, I will bury you with my own hands.



It bothers me sometimes that I've seen comments made here about "Internet Chest-Thumpers." The implication is that it is easier to make "tough-guy" statements in a rhetorical and theoretical environment. I DO see how and why that would be thought. At the same time, I think it-- in itself-- is disingenuous. Perhaps it stems from my Worldview-- but if you say something, I will believe you. It is not my place to psychoanalyze you or delve into your character.

This is perhaps because I've spent the better part of my entire life contemplating such matters. I assume that others SHOULD have made a responsible evaluation of thier own beliefs and views.

If someone says they will do something, I believe they will and act within those parameters. Equally so, if a guy said they were going to shoot me, I'm not about to tell them "No you won't." I expect conviction of ones words to mimic their beliefs and intentions in that situation. I expect no less here.

Many who know me can attest to my saying on many occassions "Words mean things." If your words do not match your views or intentions, they you are a liar. You are either lying to us, or you are lying to yourself. It is strength of character to know ones' self and to insure that your words match your views and beliefs-- or speak them not at all.


What SHOULD be more disconcerting is that MANY DO have an utter lack of concern over the taking of a life. There seems to be a lack of respect for life in society today. That makes people dangerous. On the surface, my saying this this may make me seem hypocritical for what I have said above. I concede that it makes for a paradox-- but one that I am willing to show the validity within.

As I said above, I DEMAND of myself a dispassionate view should I be put in a position posed by the OP question. I DEMAND this bacause of the realization that I would become a function of "cause-and-effect" and not the one choosing this path. I DEMAND this of myself because of my worldview where I recognize the savagery of many in this world. I DEMAND this of myself because I will not allow another's actions forced upon me to kill a good part of my own soul.

Lastly, I DEMAND this of myself because I recognize that you must develop a certain degree of "hardness" within yourself if you are to accept that there are evil persons in this world and are to have the strength to stand before them.


And none of that is "Internet Bravado." To me, bravado would be relishing such a thing or believing that you have enacted some form of "justice." I can see how those emotions would exist. They perhaps would resonate within me if I allowed them to. But that opens me up to other negative emotions surrounding such a thing. Those emotions may distract from my perspective and actually become a liability to me or my character.


But even so... I wonder....what is more monsterous?


Just Vengeful Satisfaction or Utterly Dispassionate Stocism.....



-- John
 
First, I think you are nutz. No one with a brain would be comfortable, much less happy at having to kill someone else. Don't believe that? Talk with some WW-II guys or some Viet Nam vets, etc.

Second, you can't fix stupid. There are many in our free society/Internet that feel they can say anything. Thus proving they have an extreme excess of testosterone and stupidity.
 
A lot of people on this thread talk about religious and moral beliefs.
Just the notion of "defense" is worthy of a long and tea-filled philosophical discussion, although the antis would apparently take advantage and say that you should never defend yourself against someone who is attacking you.

Many Christians would have mixed beliefs about killing in self defense, I myself have heard of the cops who felt bad afterward even though the guy they killed was a hardened criminal. However, let's see it in a "opposing view" attitude. If you don't respond on an assailant and he/she kills you, there will be serious consequences on YOUR side. Your friends, family, etc....... would be devastated. And plus countless other things. However, if you end up killing the assailant, even though it is still the taking a life, you were JUSTIFIED to do, because his/her attack was uncalled for, and you were basically responding. There are many uber-liberals who say that they rather die in a criminal attack and be mourned as a victim afterward rather than standing up to fight and possibly neutralizing the threat right there. I don't understand how these minds function, with these types of thoughts.

My Grand-uncle was a soldier in the Chinese 8th Route Army during the Anti Japanese War (World War II), and combat in China, especially in the northeastern provinces, Shanxi, Manchuria, Shaanxi, and Yu'nan was especially brutal. Each 8th Route Army soldier was armed with a rifle, grenades, and a Da Dao (wide bladed broadsword)
The idea of close range combat was to use the grenades first, to kill a certain amount of the enemy, and while the rest were still dazed and suffering from concussion and confusion as a result of the blasts, the Chinese would charge in with their broadswords and finish the fight right there.

In 1943, right after a ferocious battle in the Taiyuan Pass, my grand-uncle came upon a young boy, no more than 16, who wore a blood drenched uniform and carried a blood drenched sword. They struck up a conversation, and soon, they went to sit in a shell-crater, sipping on a flagon of captured Japanese wine. The 16 year old's story was that when he was 8 years old, in 1934, the Japanese troops entered Manchuria and made it an independant country, with former Qing emperor Puyi as a puppet dictator. During the chaos, Japanese troops murdered over 100,000 civilians. They would drive entire towns out of their homes, herd them onto a desolate plain, and then tell them to "run, escape!" When they did, Japanese cavalrymen armed with katanas went in after them and killed every single one of them. The young boy was only one of those whose families and communities were sent out to be killed, for "cavalry practice", as to speak by the Japanese army. When the terrified civilians were told to flee, his eldest sister shielded him with her body as they ran. His parents, uncles, other sisters and brothers were all cut down, one after another. He said he could hear their screams, and the slash and rip of the Japaneses' swords, but his sister wouldn't let him be seen. When a Japanese cavalryman came up right behind her and cut her down, she fell, covering him and bringing him down to the ground as she did. Therefore, the killer didn't realize someone else was still alive beneath the one he just killed.
The sword strike that felled his eldest sister also cut into him too, right around his hips and only a few inches away from his liver. That night, he spent just huddled, numb with pain and fear under the body of his sister. His wound bled profusely, and by daybreak, wolves had decended on the killing ground and began to feast on the bodies, drawn by the scent of death and blood. When he came out again, he was almost fainting from the loss of blood, as he walked around, he saw the bodies of his entire family, sprawled around the bodies of the other townfolk.
The little boy finally passed out after wandering towards the general direction of his hometown for a day, and was found by a Manchu sheepherder, who took him in. He and his wife nursed him back to health. However, as much as they wanted him to stay with them, he wanted to go back home. But home was already burned to the ground and everybody slaughtered.
The kind Manchu herding family gave him some money and cornmeal and sent him on his way, soon, he came upon a rail station in Anshan. A crowded and bustling place, packed with passengers, tramps, drunks, opium addicts, deserters from the Guomingdang (Nationalist) Army, and Japanese agents. He bought a train ticket, not caring where it would take him. While he was waiting for the train however, he saw a Guomingdang soldier sprawled on a bench, obviously stone drunk and snoring, vomit all over his uniform and an empty wine kettle next to him. The man had nobody next to him apparently, and everybody else in the waiting room was either passed out drunk, or muttering incomprehensibly. He walked up to the soldier, and took his pistol from his belt. A Mauser C-96 carbine. Quickly, he took the gun and packed it into his own bedroll, careful that nobody spotted him.
When the train finally came, he got on board. It was a train to Bei'Ping, the capital city, and during the 3 day ride, he was almost caught by Guomingdang police who came aboard the train while it stopped to take on coal and water to search the passengers. The Guomingdang police collaborated with the Japanese occupiers to stamp out civilian resistance, and they came onto the train to look for weapons, Communist literature, and possibly to exchange secret messages with agents that were on the train already. The boy hid his bag and bedroll, with gun and ammunition, right under another seat that had a baby in a cradle. The bag fit right next to the cradle, so when the Guomingdang agents came over, they figured that it belonged to the child's mother. Although if they decided to pick it up and feel it, they would obviously realize that it contained a gun.
After this close call, he arrived in Beiping unharmed.

Days later, after living as a beggar and wanderer, the boy left the city for the mountains of the Northwest, which were also filled with Japanese troops. For 2 days, he ate wild mushrooms, roots, and berries, traveling by night, hiding by day. During the 3rd day, however, a Japanese detachment was making it's way down the mountain pass. A small band of about 13 men, all carrying bayoneted Arisakas. The commander of the detachment was heading staright for the boy's hiding place, even though he had no knowledge of his existence. "Yi, Ni, San!, Yi Ni, San! Yi, Ni, San!", screamed the commander.
The boy was torn between running and burrowing deeper into the trees, hoping they would march right past him, but he was suddenly seized with a burning anger, Anger at his entire family being massacred by these same invaders. When the detachment passed within 20 yards of his hole, he took out the Mauser, aimed, and shot the Japanese commander through the chest. The detachment, perhaps a scrounging unit, didn't anticipate somehting like this, and as the commander went down, all of the other soldiers stood, seized by momentary panic. The second was all he needed, because right after he shot the officer, he fired again, and again, and again, killing 9 soldiers outright before the Mauser ran out of ammunition.
The remaining troops, seeing what has become of their comrades, probably thought that they were being ambushed by a guerrilla unit, and fled back up the mountain, leaving their dead behind.
The boy, momentarily horrified by what he done, fled further northwest, not stopping until darkness fell again. Soon, he felt nothing but more bitter anger, wanting to kill more enemies, the enemies who wiped out so many countless villages and killed so many people.
Several nights later, he fell asleep under a huge overturned tree, when voices awakened him. He saw, in the darkness, lanterns and torches, flames illuminating the night. For a terrifying second, he thought they were Japanese, and he was about to be caught with an unloaded gun. Even though there were two stripper clips of ammunition remaining, he hadn't found out how to reload the thing. But after a minute, he realized that the voices were speaking Chinese. Hundreds of voices suddenly filled the clearing.........
 
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When he peeked out from under the dead tree, he saw hundreds of men wearing grey uniforms, and armed to the teeth with machine guns of all calibers, rifles, submachine guns, pistols, grenades, and fearsome looking broadswords. He didn't know what troops these were, although they were not Guomingdang either. Guomingdang wore olive drab, not grey. But the soldiers were Chinese after all.
He threw aside his empty gun and crept out from under the tree. Instantly, dozens of weapons were pointed at him, with cries of "Ding txe!, BIE DONG!, BIESHI DONG!" (Freeze, don't move).
"He's a Jap, I know it, he's a Jap spy!", one of the soldiers cried.
"Lin Zhang, Lin Zhang wao men tzua diao yi ge ri'ben guay tze!" (Commander, Commander, we captured a Jap devil!)
The boy screamed "I am not Japanese! Japanese killed my family, I am running because I killed several Japanese!"
"With WHAT!", one of the soldiers screamed.
The boy pointed to the empty gun on the ground.
"He's not Japanese, he's using a Chinese gun. When we capture Japanese impostors, we do because they use Japanese issue guns", another soldier chimed in. "Arrest him anyway, the commander would like to interrogate him", the soldier said. They bound him up and took him to the commander's headquarters.
After almost an hour telling his story to the commander of the grey-uniformed army, the commander asked him: "Do you know who we are?". The boy shook his head. "Take a look around", said the commander. The derelict building was bare, except for the lichen and moss growing on the walls. The roof was missing in several places, and the ground was covered with a soft layer of moss and toadstools. A kerosene lantern and a submachine gun lay in one corner, while a bed roll was spread out on the ground. Behind the officer's makeshift desk was a great red flag adorned with a fiery hammer and sickle design.
"We are the 8th Route Army", the officer explained. "We serve the Chinese People, and we dedicate our entire lives to completing the Proletarian Revolution and to repel the Japanese invaders. Apparently, the woods we are in are extremely dangerous, there are enemy troops all over the place, and every day, me and my men risk death and torture to fight them." The commander took a long sip out of a hip flask, then said "Young comrade, what do you understand about the notions of Marxism and Leninism?, of the overthrow of serfdom and the chains of capitalist slavery? of the People, and the working class of the world?, of national preservance? What does the People mean? What is the People's Army? What do we fight for?"

These words, were the boy's introduction to the great army that was to become the Chinese People's Liberation Army.
My grand-uncle served the Red Army since the days of the Long March, and fought at the Battle of Pingxingguan in 1938. But in the winter of 1943, he met this boy that suffered so great and had so much stories to tell. Now he was 16 years old, and in the great battle that was fought only an hour ago, he used a pistol and a broadsword, and killed over 30 Japanese troops. His unit killed over 15,000 Japanese, captured 20 armored trucks, 3 tanks, 200 mortars, 130 heavy artillery pieces, over 5,000 rounds of 105mm artillery shells, 30,000 Arisakas, 1,000 heavy machine guns, 5,000 squad light-machine guns, 2,000 grenades, and over 2.3 million rounds of small arms ammunition. Enough hardware to outfit 3 ENTIRE DIVISIONS of the 8th Route Army. That battle was one of the greatest victories the Chinese People's Army had won against the Japanese invaders, and as one of my grand uncles's comrades put it: "We avenged Luguaychiao(Marco Polo Bridge), we avenged the night of July 7th, 1937".

The reason why I tell this long story is because, since we are talking about defense against evil, I want to share with you an episode of probably one of the largest war for national defense and national preservation ever fought in military history. However, we should never feel "good" so to speak, about taking a life, even in a defensive situation, but we should be thankful that we are alive, because, it could have easily went the other way.

The 16 year old lad stayed with the Army and fought the Japanese until their surrender in 1945. Both my granduncle and him were wounded during the fight for Manchuria in the late summer of 1945, but they refused furlough. In 1947, war broke out once again, but now, the 8th Route Army had grown to an army of over 3.5 million soldiers. From Manchuria, they swept downward, smashing Guomingdang armies one after another. From Manchuria to Hainan Dao, from Yun'an to Taiyuan, to Beijing, to Shanghai to Fujian. The commander of the unit that took in the boy talked so passionately about liberation and the revolution of the proletarian, but he never saw the liberation of the country in 1949, he was killed in action during the battle for Nanjing in February, 1949. Even today, when my granduncle visits the family of this boy, now both of them old men, the other hero always talked about how brave his commander was, and how they would sacrifice themselves for the people's needs during the War.
 
What's a Hero?

I however, wish I was there at those events armed and ready to preserve the lives of these innocent people. Men, should be ready to protect life and yes be "happy" to do so. There is a natural instinct in young men to even desire that their life have at least one such event occur in which they can be the "hero". Joy at killing - no, Joy at saving life - Yes.

I glad I'm not the only one who thinks like this.

IMO, I believe someone who carries CCW has a public responsibility. Don't you feel privileged being granted the right to CCW?

I think I would have personal satisfaction in knowing that I have saved a life, and possibly many more lives by removing a predator. I believe the term is "hero".
 
anytime i have ever had to use force i become incredibly pissed off afterwards

i enjoy sparring a great deal, but when it comes time to actually use force. I am most unhappy
 
"Would you feel good about killing in self defense?"

I'm not sure good is the word I'd use, but I would not feel bad about death resulting from a good shoot.
 
"Would you feel good about killing in self defense?"

I don't know how I'd feel about killing another human.

What I do know is that if I were placed in a situation where it was him or me I'd feel really, really good that it turned out to be me that lived.

And I hope that I'd be rational enough not to lose a whole lot of sleep because the world had one less scumbag in it.
 
That's a loaded question. The reply could be the same either way.Say "no"; reply:"you coward; you got no business carryin." Say "yes"; reply: "you bloodthirsty ba...rd; you got no business carrying".
 
I haven't read the whole thread, just the first page or two, and then the 8th. I appreciated JWarren's post. I'm no wordsmith, nor philosopher, but I think I understand his point - feelings have no place in this issue. I didn't start trouble - I finished it.

I say my prayers every morning when I get up. I ask God for strength, freedom from self, peace for others, Braedon's family lately, handful of other stuff. Then I try to give thanks, and I make a pledge to do better than I did the day before.

The bottom line is, I'm just trying to be of service to God and my fellows. There are some people out there who are turned so far away from God's will than nothing you or I can do will help them. When one of them comes into my life and threatens my family or myself with violence or death, I believe God's will shall prevail. If I drop, there's a reason for it. If I kill, there's a reason for it. I'll say my prayers the next morning, just like always. There will, however, be a couple of additions. I'll pray for forgiveness, and I'll pray for the soul (or recovery) of the one I shot.

Any conjecture about "feelings" after the event are just that... conjecture. If I have them, and they effect my life too much, I suppose I'll seek help. Contemplating and hypothesizing about such things serves only to give me undue pause when I can least afford it.
 
I don't know how a decent man can feel good about taking a life no matter what the circumstance. Life, and the taking of it, is something that deserves respect.
 
I don't know how a decent man can feel good about taking a life no matter what the circumstance. Life, and the taking of it, is something that deserves respect.
Life's not all that sacred - except to each one who has it I suppose. It's easily replaced - there's 6 billion of us on the planet after all.

From a totally rational point of view - losing sleep over the death of an evil person makes no sense because the removal of that evil from the population makes that population just a little bit less evil and a little more good.

From an emotional point of view it's a totally different matter. Good guys will/should(?) feel bad at the erasure of any human life whereas the bad will not.

That's why any fight taken on where life and death are the only possible outcomes should be taken on from a rational point of view only less good hesitate due to emotion and be defeated by evil.
 
I don't know how a decent man can feel good about taking a life no matter what the circumstance. Life, and the taking of it, is something that deserves respect.

Does anyone have knowledge of the number of military involved in shootings resulting in death, and their reactions?

I know first hand of a Special Forces member who is now retired from working counter insurgency in Afghanistan. On the surface, this guy is as normal as the rest of us. Inside, who knows.

Is it fact that he killed? Can't say, but the likelihood is there.

Our military is paid to shoot and kill. What are they taught about even the potential for taking a life?
 
I've never considered it quite in this light before.

As someone else said, I'd probably feel pretty damn angry at the guy who forced my hand - ie, the person I'd shot.

I've had friends commit suicide, and I imagine it would be somewhat similar to that. I'd be angry at them and, while not feeling guilty or as if I'd done "wrong", I'd feel pretty damn bad about the situation in general. I'd question myself - could I have done differently and averted the death? But ultimately, I think I'd probably come back to "what they did brought it upon themselves, and while I was the actor who brought it about, it's better than being dead."

While I'm not there now, I don't think I'd wake with the gnashing of teeth and cold sweats over it. I'd be regretful over the waste, likely in the same way a person would for killing animals simply for the sake of killing.

But, I don't think I can know until, or if, it happens. While I'm always open for new experiences, killing someone is still not one I want to experience.

I think, what it comes down to, is the question of what life is, and one's own understanding of position within "the circle of life". Maybe that's just silly philosophy, and it's more complex than that, or has nothing to do with it at all. But my theory is that a person's perspective on the value of life in general, the existence of afterlife, and importantly, the value of human life (your's and others) would all be contributing factors.
 
I don't know about "feeling good"

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As, that would worry me in that, most "anything" someone does for the first time, and it "felt good" leads to "wanting to do it more/again.."

Feeling "right" about it, works for me, and leaves no doubt that I would not go looking for it, but only rdy for it, if the situation were ever to arise again.


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I carry a gun and hope I never have to use it in self defense. If I ever have to it would be where there was no other option and I would shoot in order to get the attacker to stop now. If he expires as a result, that is sad, but I would not feel good about it.
 
I don't know about "feeling good"

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As, that would worry me in that, most "anything" someone does for the first time, and it "felt good" leads to "wanting to do it more/again.."

Feeling "right" (justified) about it, works for me, and leaves no doubt that I would not go looking for it, but only rdy for it, if the situation were ever to arise again.


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