I only quoted you because I didn't want to grab evidence from everyone, sorry, I'm not actually ranting at you alone. This thread had some initial questions that have NOTHING to do with training, priorities, overpenetration, or even how many magic bullets it takes to grow a beanstalk.
It is almost like half of the people who post responses have the same answers regardless of what the question was.
Q: "How do bullets cause injury?"
A1: Train more
A2: Rifles are better
A3: Don't count on one-shot stops
Perhaps I'm being too sensitive. It just feels like when I ask the kid "did you clean your room?" and get the answer "I ate a sandwich."
If all you want to do is argue what the bullets do, then I agree, the rest is meaningless. And when reality starts to seep into the conversation, and you start to get some reality added to the mix, and things start to go off in different directions. I dont think that can be avoided unless you specifically state at the beginning, this is all just numbers mental masturbation and nothing else will be discussed.
But if this discussion is about actually doing something with those rounds, calibers, bullets, then you just cant say that what the numbers say the bullets will do is the whole answer. And in fact, its actually down the list of things on the priority list.
I was simply pointing out that a person can practice, and still post online. The two are only going to be mutually exclusive if all of the person's free time is spent on practice. Which is obviously not financial feasible for the vast majority of us.
The concept of "stop talking about wounding and go practice" is therefore a thoughtless comment.
The whole point of practicing, is the wounding, and preferably, practice to quickly stop things, assuming youre practicing for that. So, how is that a thoughtless thing?
As far as the financial thing, thinking youre buying skills with magic bullets, is a lot less cost effective than time, money, and effort spent in practice, should that unlucky day come you might need them.
How much do you practice? Do you do anything besides practice?
This thread is isolating the variable of what happens when a bullet hits the target. It's focusing on terminal ballistics. A hit is implied. That's why discussion of things other than hits, or of how to get hits, is out-of-scope of this thread.
I usually shoot 2-3 times a week (on my way out right after Im done here, as a matter of fact), and with a number of different guns. 99% of that is not spent on static bullseye type shooting.
And I still lead a fairly active life and do a lot of other things as well. I am retired now, and can get to do a bit more, but even when working 10-12 hours a day with an hour ride on each end of that in the past, I still was shooting pretty much exactly as I am today, and have been doing that for the past four decades or so. If there is a will, there is always a way.
"Hits" (and preferably, good hits) are the whole point of things. How are they out of the scope of things, and not the most important part of all this? Other than that you just want to argue numbers out of context?
Optimal solution:
1. Study the anatomy of the 'likely adversary' to use a Cold War term. This includes learning the function of each organ and what damage to it does to speed up incapacitation. How it does this damage, as we are discussing, is obviously a part of this.
2. Practice with anatomically correct (at least in 2D) targets that show internal organs. Slowly at first, with emphasis on accuracy and smoothness of action. Develop speed. You do not have to be Reed Thell, but work to find the best balance of accuracy and speed for you.
3. Decide what projectile and load will accomplish your incapacitation goals, with a mind on what this projectile will do when placed non optimally.
4. Practice with your picked SD round, at least enough to know how it's going to shoot when needed.
5. Repeat 2 and 4 at regular intervals.
Thank you.
