Wrap your head around this one.

[pwhfirefighter]

I am Air Guard myself. I think it is absolutely stupid that we can't be trusted to at least keep our firearms locked in our vehicles on base. Our base is small, so most of the time, I park just off base in front of the front gate and walk onto base leaving my weapon in my vehicle. Once back to my vehicle, I put my CCW back in its usual carry position. In uniform or not, OFF BASE, I will continue to conceal carry like I always do

Edit to add: I found this in the "Air Guard Commander's Legal Desk Book, 2010". It appears ANG commanders have some say in the matter.

Possession of Privately Owned Firearms on Base

Updated by Major Jeffrey M. Knickerbocker, Sep 2007

AUTHORITY: AFI 31-101, The Air Force Installation Security Program (1 Mar 03); AFI 31-101_ANGSUP1 (1
Mar 05); AFI 31-207, Arming and Use of Force by Air Force Personnel (1 Sep 99); applicable state law and
regulations.

COMMANDERS AUTHORITY
Installation Commanders may ban the possession of privately-owned weapons on their installation by virtue of their
inherent command authority over all base activities. Such a ban is often advisable, as problems involving
privately-owned firearms can quickly develop.

This is an area that should have applicable state laws and regulations. Many states’ laws and regulations provide
that this prohibition of possession of firearms applies even though the person may have a state pistol permit or be a
police or peace officer otherwise authorized to possess firearms.

Air National Guard bases are secure facilities providing significant protection for the persons and property located
within their boundaries. Members requiring firearms for use during the course of their ANG duties, such as the
security police, will be issued them. There is no valid reason for anyone other than designated security police
persons to possess a firearm on base. The only exception to this might be state regulations authorizing the unit’s
marksmanship team members to possess such weapons pursuant to competent written orders.

Commanders are advised to issue an appropriate base regulation or policy letter concerning a ban on
privately-owned firearms possessed or stored on base. Coordinate all efforts in this area with the Office of the Staff
Judge Advocate and Chief of Security Police to ensure such a policy, if implemented, will be valid and enforceable.

KWIK-NOTE: Policy letters banning private firearms on base must be tailored to each Commanders needs and
discretion, and must be consistent with applicable state law and regulations

 

[test drive]

Look at it like this. On federal property its a no-go reguardless of what uniform you have on. Now with state property you are subject to the commander wether it be base, company, battalion or what ever will make the rules and if you get busted you will face whatever they decide, artical 15, courts marshall or whatever but civilian state,city or county law will have no intrest since no civilian law has been broken.

 

[leadcounsel]

Pwhfirefighter said: ... found this in the "Air Guard Commander's Legal Desk Book, 2010". It appears ANG commanders have some say in the matter.

Possession of Privately Owned Firearms on Base

Updated by Major Jeffrey M. Knickerbocker, Sep 2007...

@ Pwhfirefigher: That 'deskbook' is general advisory only, is shorthand information for digestion of a very general audience of commanders. I've handed those out to commanders to shield myself from the flow of the very basic questions that crop up. It's not the law, but a 'readers digest' of the law. In yours, the information is 7 years old in a guide that is 4 years old (ancient in legal terms)... consider that with changing lawyers and commanders every 1-2 years, many rotations have come and gone since then. And consider since that article was written, perhaps 10 military base shootings have occurred nationwide, including Texas, and on the east coast. Major Hassan at Ft. Hood, another recent shooting at Ft. Hood, and several more. No doubt military bases have changed their policies to tighten up gun restrictions. New rules may have been adopted. The information is stale and perhaps not even accurate any longer. I would not rely on that for any important legal decisions.

If you wanted something current and in-hand, head over to the Administrative Law department and get an advisory paper from one of the current lawyers.

 

[pwhfirefighter]

@ Pwhfirefigher: That 'deskbook' is general advisory only, is shorthand information for digestion of a very general audience of commanders. I've handed those out to commanders to shield myself from the flow of the very basic questions that crop up. It's not the law, but a 'readers digest' of the law. In yours, the information is 7 years old in a guide that is 4 years old (ancient in legal terms)... consider that with changing lawyers and commanders every 1-2 years, many rotations have come and gone since then. And consider since that article was written, perhaps 10 military base shootings have occurred nationwide, including Texas, and on the east coast. Major Hassan at Ft. Hood, another recent shooting at Ft. Hood, and several more. No doubt military bases have changed their policies to tighten up gun restrictions. New rules may have been adopted. The information is stale and perhaps not even accurate any longer. I would not rely on that for any important legal decisions.

If you wanted something current and in-hand, head over to the Administrative Law department and get an advisory paper from one of the current lawyers.

Fair enough. You are the expert, not me.

But I still think it is absolutely ridiculous we have to forgo our ability to defend ourselves on our commute to and from base. It is just like all these "common sense" gun laws that are supposed to make us "safer" that do not work. All the new regs will not do anything but disarm the good guys. It is shameful that all the men and women who serve to protect the country must forgo their right to protect themselves on the way to base.

Not arguing, just venting. Thanks for the info.

 

[leadcounsel]

But I still think it is absolutely ridiculous we have to forgo our ability to defend ourselves on our commute to and from base. It is just like all these "common sense" gun laws that are supposed to make us "safer" that do not work. All the new regs will not do anything but disarm the good guys. It is shameful that all the men and women who serve to protect the country must forgo their right to protect themselves on the way to base

100% agree. And a big reason I hung up my uniform. Can't work for an employer who doesn't honor my rights, nor trust my decision making.

 

[Ryanxia]

I wouldn't think you would be federally restricted since we have two gun shows a year at our local Guard Armory.

 

[sandyyy]

This is the rule and policy of any country military area. Each country military have different rules and regulations and if by mistake you should enter in any country millitary area or border and arrested by millitary then you should follow the millitary rules and regulation,
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