WSM Calibers

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I am thinking on getting a WSM but dont really know a whole lot about them. I was thinking maybe a Winchester Model 70. Will be using it for long range deer hunting but unsure of the calibre I would like to get. I was thinking of the 270, 300, or 325. Anybody have any info, suggestions or comments about these calibres?
 
They work, but they don't improve on what has come before IMHO, at least ballistically. I like the idea of the Browning BLR in .325 WSM for big and dangerous North American game. I don't hunt big and dangerous North American game, just sayin'....:D Son-in-law has a .270 WSM. It shoots fine, but I'll keep my 7 Rem Mag. He only hunts deer/hog. It's a bit of overkill out on my place where a long shot is 150 yards.

Suit yourself. I'm just not convinced of the need. I guess if you want a light, short action rifle for hunting rough country and want a magnum caliber, that's probably their niche. My little M7 in .308 is plenty for me, though. I'm not an 800 yard kinda guy on game.
 
But the .270WSM ammo on the shelf was $40 dollars or more.

Handloading is the answer, there. I think I've bought two boxes of factory loads for my .257 Roberts over the years, had one box of 7 mag given to me, and never bought factory ammo for my .308 even though factory ammo isn't that expensive. It's too easy and affordable to reload for and I get premium ammo for less than cheap crap.
 
Damn, I need to learn how to reload. Just haven't had the time yet. I need to find a seminar or something for new reloaders. Does such a thing exist?
 
I am thinking on getting a WSM but dont really know a whole lot about them. I was thinking maybe a Winchester Model 70. Will be using it for long range deer hunting but unsure of the calibre I would like to get. I was thinking of the 270, 300, or 325. Anybody have any info, suggestions or comments about these calibres?

I have no doubt that the WSM magumns gave the performance of the longer cartridges in a shorter case.

However, I believe these rounds are headed towards the ash heap of history. If you want one, better buy all the brass, dies, that you can.

Once production stops, and this round becomes a specialty item, you will have a hard time finding resupply.

History is also shows that it becomes hard to get rid of firearms in old, odd ball, hard to find calibers.

Someone may want your 25 Krag Ackley improved, but there won’t be many. ;)
 
"Ash heap of history..."

Mullins 81--While Slam Fire 1 may be perfectly correct, that the WSM's are on a long slide into oblivion, and your rifle will be unsalable in later years, it is my contention that you buy shooting gear to shoot, not to plan on reselling.

It's a hobby, not a business. You please yourself, not any potential customer. With that in mind, I say, if you want one, get one. When you can't resell it for what you bought it for in, say, 20 years, so what? You had your fun with it in the meanwhile.

If you modify the rifle from as-factory-issued, in any way, there goes the resale value anyhow. Again, so what.

(If you want to resell any rifle at a profit, firstly it must be a popular model. Buy it brand-new, never fire it, save all the documentation and receipts, and for heavens' sake keep every bit of the packaging pristine, and in 50 years or so you have a valuable collectors' item on your hands. BO-ring!!)

I have two .30-'06's. I needed another 30 caliber rifle like a hole in the head. But I wanted a .30-'06 on steroids, so I bought a .300 WSM, and I got what I wanted. Since, I've also acquired a .308 Win. Did I NEED either one? Of course not--What has need got to do with it?

If your idea of "long range deer hunting" is like mine, a .300 WSM will work as well as anything else similar. The .300 Win Mag fans notwithstanding. To be ethical at long distances, you need to practice a lot.

To practice a lot, you need to either be rich or be a reloader, to afford the necessary ammo. And reloading, you can tailor the rounds to your rifle's preferences, and your exact needs.

If the WSM's should become passe' and ammo isn't available, you'll need to reload anyhow. Brass will always be available, no matter how oddball the cartridge, from The Old Western Scrounger or the like, albeit at premium prices.
 
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Well, if you do, your rifle will re-sale for less, if/when you go to sell it, and your ammo will cost a lot more, as will your reloading components (though not as much as the ammo).

And you won't see any significant / measurable gains in performance, or any at all for that matter, from any of these EXCEPT the .270 WSM, over their old counterparts.

The .270 WSM is a pretty interesting very-long-range hunting cartridge, akin to big brother to .264 Win mag.

You WILL, however, be different from most of your friends, if that's what you are seeking. :)
 
if you got the money, go ahead, but aint much these calibers do that existing calibers will do with a little hotter load. most people cant see far enough to justify shooting this far and the recoil will only make them a worse shooter than they already are. I got lots of rifles, too many, at 56 I have hunted all over and I got no use for one of these more or less "fad calibers" I even retired my 30-06,I hunt some really big hogs and the largest caliber I reach for is one of my .308s, a 6.5 Swede or even my favorite .22-250. I can afford one ofthose WSMs but why, it seems like a status symbol to me, "Look at me, I got a WSM ! I must know whay I'm doing"
 
SlamFire1 said:
Once production stops, and this round becomes a specialty item, you will have a hard time finding resupply.

I think that's a weak argument against the WSM line of rifles/cartridges for a number of reasons. First, you don't know that production of factory rifles will stop (not that it matters). Second, any competent barrel maker or gunsmith can chamber a rifle in just about ANY caliber that you want so if you like the performance of the short action WSMs, you'll find a way to build a rifle around that cartridge. Third, if the WSM line ends up on the "ash heep of history" it'll be because no one is buying new WSM rifles and not because reloaders aren't buying components. There will still be support from Midway and the like for the WSM family. Heck, who shoots .260 Rem AI ... and yet Redding makes a die set for that caliber.

I think that WSM cases and dies will be around for a long, long time but that was of no concern to me when I bought a Remington 700 in .300WSM. If I like the ballistics or packaging of ANY rifle/cartridge combination I'll buy it regardless of whether it's popular today, tomorrow or 10 years from now. Like Smokey Joe said, I buy ALL firearms for me to shoot and keep for the rest of my life. I could care less about resale value or what others may or may not want in the future. Life is way too short to worry about such things.

:)
 
TexasPatriot.308 said:
it seems like a status symbol to me, "Look at me, I got a WSM ! I must know whay I'm doing"

As for that comment .... :rolleyes: ... it's a #$%&ing cartridge for God's sake ... we're not talking about a Bugati Veyron here. How the heck you correlate cartridge selection with social status is beyond me! Believe it or not, I chose the .300 WSM (Remington 700) because I wanted a short action hunting rifle with ballistic performance similar to a .300 Win Mag (which I also have) and that's exactly what I ended up with. I have four rifles chambered in .308 Win and certainly don't feel like a second class citizen when I shoot those. In fact, if someone shows up with a $10,000 rig I'm happy for them and me since I get to look and possibly touch. Most folks I shoot with love to let others have a go. I do the same and have let many, many new and old shooters "play" with my stuff. That's what this sport is all about ... the JOY of shooting, reloading, hunting, range days, load development, target practice, matches, etc. This isn't a hobby for me, it's a way of life!! Leave social status to the folks running around in $100,000 cars while they pay someone else's mortgage.

:)
 
I think the .270 WSM in particular would make one of the best long range deer cartridges of all, at most practical distances.
It is about as flat shooting as they come, with good retained energy.
I do not believe they are going extinct, there are lots or rifles out there, along with components.
This has been one of the most hyped line of gun fodder in history, and despite the companies history of dumping poor sellers like hot potatoes,
like them or not, I think they will out live us.
A Model 70 Winchester would be a fine rifle for your new WSM.
 
Businesslike; unbusinesslike...

1858--Please don't feel that I was denigrating your (and my, BTW) passion for the shooting sports. My only point was, and is, that one with any sense buys a firearm for their own pleasure, not with an eye to reselling it.

For investment purposes (i.e. buying to resell at a hoped-for profit) there are many less risky things than firearms. Especially firearms you plan to use while waiting for the price to go up--and worrying about scratching the finish the whole time!
 
The 300 WSM is here to stay. It will equal the 300 win mag with bullets 180 grains or lighter in a better designed case. If you need heavier bullets, you need a larger caliber. The others future is questionable.

If I had a 300 win mag I doubt if I would trade it for the WSM, but if starting from scratch I would go WSM. It may take a while, maybe not in my lifetime, but I predict all of the belted magnums will gradually loose favor to the newer, more efficient rounds. The 7mm rem mag and 300win mag are already losing sales as hunters are looking for lighter rifles. The newer rounds work better in shorter, lighter rifles.
 
I was thinking of the 270, 300, or 325. Anybody have any info, suggestions or comments about these calibres?
I don't think you can go wrong with a 270 WSM or 300 WSM.

The 325 WSM is also very effective from what I have seen. But traditionally the 8mm bores have a hard time with staying powder at least here in the US. The 8mm Remington Mag never really went anywhere even though it worked excellent.

I own both a 270 WSM and 300 WSM. Both in Tikka T3 rifles. Both have been very effective for me on both Deer and Elk. Both T3 rifles shoot MOA or better.

The 300 WSM has been around for 9 years now and the 270 WSM slightly less and they are still here.... with more factory loads available now than ever.

For long range deer hunting I would give the node to the 270 WSM with 130 or 140 grain bullets because it shoots fast, flat, and accurate with slightly less recoil than a 300 WSM.
 
I was very skeptical when Winchester debuted their WSSM and WSM cartridges and thought like many, "WHY"?
A few years have passed since then, and I find myself warming to the larger WSM's as holding a legitimate place in the grand scheme of things.
Sure, I know the old belted magnums are like that old pair of shoes that's comfortable. And the chances are good that I'll never get a WSM, not while I have my 308 Norma Magnum. Regardless, the WSM remind me of PPC line of target rounds and they do shoot pretty good.
I have actually reloaded some 223 WSSM to use in a friend's Winchester. They are a hot little round and easily the equal of the 22-250, but I would not trade my 22-250 for one, I built that sucker.



NCsmitty
 
I am thinking on getting a WSM but dont really know a whole lot about them. I was thinking maybe a Winchester Model 70. Will be using it for long range deer hunting but unsure of the calibre I would like to get. I was thinking of the 270, 300, or 325. Anybody have any info, suggestions or comments about these calibres?
I think, for someone who wants something powerful and flat-shooting, and who prefers a cartridge without a belt, in a rifle with a short action, will do well with one of the WSM's. They make perfect sense to me. I was hoping Winchester was going to make a 338 WSM, but since they never, I went and bought a 338 RCM.

I think if you're interested in one of these cartridges, it's a good enough reason to get one. Especially if you are, or plan to be, a handloader, to save $$$ on ammunition.
 
WSSM's

N C Smitty--We're getting away from the OP's question when you bring up the WSSM's. IMNSHO, FWIW, the WSM's are a good new thing--a magnum-level cartridge in a relatively short action, and with no durn belt.

The Super Short Magnums, OTOH, are, again, IMNSHO, too much of a good thing. As I understand it, they are so short as to cause feeding problems from some magazines.

And the people who want REALLY short, fat, cartridges, already have them in the form of the 6mm PPC and the like.

While the WSM's seem to be developing something of a following, you never hear (or at least I don't) of many people who bought a WSSM and are happy with it.

I think if any of these new cartridges land on the "ash heap of history," it'll be the WSSM's. Maybe some of the WSM's, or RSAUM's, or the new RCM's (Ruger's latest addition to the fray) will land there, too, just because the field is so crowded now. Or not. Ask me again in 50 years.

ETA--When the WSM's and the RSAUM's first came out, I was eagerly looking forward to a .35 WSM or RSAUM, as an upgraded .35 Whelen AI. There IS a wildcat .35 WSM--it's called the .35 Sambar. But now it seems that "they've gone about as fur as they can go," so I don't look for a legitimizing of the .35 Sambar anytime soon. Overly crowded field already, as I said.
 
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WSMs can be dead for 40 years and Starline will still offer brass...:D

Damn, I need to learn how to reload. Just haven't had the time yet. I need to find a seminar or something for new reloaders. Does such a thing exist?

Well, Ed, how close are ya to Port Lavaca? I can get you started handloading in a couple of hours. It ain't rocket science, but it helps to have mentors. My grandpa got me into it and I taught myself from there when I got into handguns and shotguns. Lots of books out there on the subject, too, and videos you can buy and watch. Heck, might be something on youtube, never looked.
 
They don't have as much brass, shouldn't stretch quite as bad. I'd think that alone would extend case life. Not sure, though, no exprience. I do know that I neck size 7mm Rem Mag so that it head spaces on the shoulder rather than the belt. The belt had as soon not be there and it doesn't shorten case life if you neck size.
 
Steer clear of the 325 WSM if long range is your plan...the available .325 caliber hunting bullets are NOT long range bullets.

The 270 WSM shoots as flat as anything and flatter than most, has plenty of power, and is usually accurate.

The 300 WSM don't shoot as flat as the 270...but its still pretty flat, has plenty of power for bigger game (moose, bear, etc.), and its also accurate.
 
I love my 300 WSM, but I hunt Elk with it. It's easier to shoot than my 300 WM. (less recoil)

Personally if I were hunting deer I'd reach for something "smaller", though. Just one man's opinion...
 
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