WV "sniper" using a .22

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http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,95227,00.html

CHARLESTON, W.Va._—_Police said Wednesday_ballistic tests_show a .22-caliber rifle_was used in last week's separate sniper-style slayings of two people outside of rural convenience stores that appear to have been drug-related.

Kanawha County Chief Deputy Phil Morris also said police believe the two victims of the Aug. 14 shootings were targeted.

"We can't eliminate the possibility of a sniper, but it appears like it is drug related," Morris said.

Police have released little information about a fatal shooting at a Charleston convenience store that occurred four days earlier, but said a possible drug connection has not been pursued.

Ballistic tests showed_Jeanie Patton, 31, and_Okey Meadows Jr., _26, were killed Aug. 14 by the same weapon, Morris said during a news conference.

The two_Campbells Creek residents were shot from 50 yards to 75 yards away. Patton was killed while pumping gas at a convenience store in Campbells Creek while Meadows was fatally shot about 90 minutes later while standing outside buying milk at a store in Cedar Grove, about 10 miles east.

Tests were incomplete on the bullet that killed 44-year-old Gary Carrier Jr. on Aug. 10 while he was making a telephone call outside a Charleston convenience store.

However, Morris said the characteristics of the bullet found in the Charleston shooting is similar to those of the bullets in the other shootings.

All three were shot in the head or neck between 10:20 p.m and 11:30 p.m.

"There is nothing to indicate they're not related," Morris said.

Police also released enhanced photographs of a_Ford F-150 (search)_extended cab pickup similar to a vehicle that eyewitnesses have described as being at the scene of the Campbells Creek and Cedar Grove shootings. No vehicle has been identified in the Charleston shooting.

Supersoftware, an Australian video company, has provided images of a pickup that were enhanced to represent nighttime conditions to help spark additional information from potential eyewitnesses. The company also produced images of the white vehicle police originally sought in the Washington, D.C., area sniper shootings last year.

Investigators have interviewed four witnesses who said they saw the truck the night of the shootings. The interviews have allowed police to track the truck's movements. At one point, the vehicle was parked in the middle of the road in Campbells Creek and people had to drive around it, he said.

Police have been conducting a door-to-door investigation in the Campbells Creek area. Investigators returned to the area Wednesday to talk to residents, who say the two shootings may be drug related.

Investigators talked to family members of one of the Aug. 14 victims Tuesday and were told about a possible cocaine connection.

"That's not to say that one of the victims had been using it," Morris said. He would not identify the victim or the family.

Similar concerns have not been raised about Carrier's death.

"We weren't pursuing the drug angle. We didn't have anything in the past to link that person with drugs," Charleston Police Chief Jerry Pauley said Wednesday.

Midge Rader, who is Patton's aunt, said Tuesday that the substitute cook and custodian for Kanawha County schools was drug-free. "She was never on drugs and she never drank," Rader said.

Meadows' family has not returned telephone calls seeking comment.

Earlier Wednesday, Morris backed away from a "random sniper" theory. He said it appeared that Patton and Meadows had been targeted by the shooter because both shootings occurred in a rural area of Kanawha County, 10 miles east of Charleston.

The shooter had to drive past another convenience store to reach the store where Patton was shot. The store where Meadows was shot is further east.

"I don't believe (the shooter) just happened upon them," Morris said. "They were obviously targets."

"I believe it's one shooter, one weapon, two victims. Possibly three," he said.

The Charleston shooting occurred at a Go-Mart in an urban area near the junction of interstates 64 and 77.

Morris said Campbells Creek residents' concerns about the extent of drug dealing in the area was a surprise to his investigators.

"Until this double homicide, the community hasn't spoken out," Morris said. "We knew there were drugs on Campbells Creek, but not to the extent the public is telling us now."

Maybe this won't effect the AWB sunset afterall
 
Well, a .223 or a Swift are technically .22 caliber. I think that's what they mean.

I'd bet a steak dinner it isn't a .22lr, but a .223.
 
Investigators talked to family members of one of the Aug. 14 victims Tuesday and were told about a possible cocaine connection.
Suppose the shooter wanted to pop this guy, then decided to shoot a couple more people just to make it look like another "random" sniper shooting?
 
I think they said the same thing at the beginning of the other sniper incident.

GT
 
I bet it's not a 223

One of the ways they determine is weight, I'm sure a 22 round is much less than 55 gr 223 round.
Of course that could lead to aban of 22 "Assault Rifles"
 
I agree with brookstexas. Here comes the .22 rifles should be banned bandwagon.


Jits
 
A bullet from a .22 rimfire would weigh a maximum of 40 grains unless it was an Aguila (sp?) or Colibri SSS which would be about 60 grains. The .22 rimfire in either case would have a distinctive heel base where the case was crimped onto the bullet rather than a comventional flatbase or boat -tail design of a centerfire .22.
However there is not enough information in the article to speculate as to whether it's a rimfire or centerfire. But with the ranges stated it a good bet that it probably wasn't a centerfire. A centerfire .22 (Hornet excepted) would likely pass through the victim and not be recovered and there is no information regarding witnesses hearing a gunshot.

Of course that would lead to a ban on .22 Assault Rifles.

Nope. That would be hillbilly sniper rifles.
 
Suppose the shooter wanted to pop this guy, then decided to shoot a couple more people just to make it look like another "random" sniper shooting?
Maybe they saw that Law & Order episode. Some kid shot his dad's boss from a rooftop and then tried to make it look like a random thing by taking out a few more.

Ban TV shows, for the children.
 
I don't know but Sheslinger was watching the news when they said the sniper was using a .22 caliber bullet and what firearm do they plaster up on the screen. Anybody, anybody.....Bueller......

THE AK-47!!!! Of course, every crime committed since the dawn of man was committed with an AK-47. Dear God I am surprised they don't flash an AK-47 up when they have segments on drinking and driving. "When you drink and drive you can be almost as dangerous as........AN AK-47." "12 were killed in a row home fire but luckily the death toll was much smaller than................AN AK-47 would have caused." "It's the first day of school so don't forget to buy your kids loose leaf and make sure they know the distinctive sound..........AN AK-47 makes."

ARRRRRRGGGGGHHHHHHH :banghead: :banghead:

I realize they were probably talking about a .223 or .22 swift or whatever but what are the chances the weapons was a SAR-3.

This is Cslinger signing off and remember to be nice to one another and for God sakes don't shoot each other with an.........AK-47.
 
Are you sure the picture wasn't an AK-74? Maybe your local news is more saavy than you give them credit for.........yeah, right. :)
 
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I always wondered about that quote...
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I've only seen .22 caliber quoted in the press. Nothing about rimfire or centerfire.

Were they all head shots? If so, you'd think all the centerfire posibilities would be hard to recover.

I still somehow doubt it's .22 LR, but who knows?
 
I'm thinking that if it was .223 then the media would say it was ... they identified the Beltway sniper's caliber as .223 so I see no reason why they wouldn't now.

Also, headshots at that range with a .22lr would be fatal


In addition, the news kept saying the bullets where all from "the same caliber and class of rifle" ... this leads me to believe that they meant "rimfire" or "centerfire".


I still contend that if it was a .223, the media would be posting pictures of Mohamed & Malvo's Bushmaster to further compare the two shootings (and push the AWB agenda).
 
I understand that the most recent news reports have identified "the" rifle as "a .22," in the context of a .22 rimfire. No one is looking for "evil black rifles," or at least not openly so.
 
Here's a little update ...

(careful, the title might make you puke)
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,95309,00.html

Authorities say both shots probably came from a .22-caliber rifle -- the most popular style of small-caliber rifle in the state.
Young hunters usually begin using a .22-caliber rifle after learning to shoot with a B-B gun. "A lot of people use them to squirrel hunt and for small game," Coleman said. "A lot of people use them for target practice."


I also seem to remember reading that the .22 is the most common caliber used in murders in the US (but I wouldn't run around quoting that without a better source then me).
 
Lousy penchent for pickup trucks..........I outa.:cuss:


People kill people. Been doing it ohhh since just about the time we got kicked out of that Eden club for being too rowdy.

A .22 will kill you just as dead as a chainsaw.

I hope they find this person but more importantly I hope we start speeding up our punishment process and raise it's severity. I don't think this should take away the right of a fair trial but once all the evidence is tallied and a guilty verdict is found then do not pass go, turn in your orange jump suit and off to the gallows with you. There is no immediate threat of punishment and that bothers me. I could pretty much walk into the local Kwicky Mart and blow a way a bus full of nuns who had stopped for a slurpee and have my face and actions caught on camera for the world to see and I could probably drag out my ultimate punishment for 10-15 years if not more.

I really hope they find this nut and personally I hope they catch him in the act and the police or other concerned citizen has to defend themselves.
 
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