ww2 machine guns to be destroyed, along with this guys rights

[Spreadfire Arms]

You may be the only person on this board that believes it gave the Feds power to "regulate" our arms.

rather petty name calling, dave. you call that taking the "High Road." i have a few expletives i can call you but id like to think im a little more mature.

also, since again, you can't prove anything, you resort to name calling.

Ok, so you want to play the semantics game let me rephrase it so even an imbecile can apprehend my meaning:

The inept marketing dribble on your website is an explicit act of begging for .gov dollars.

first off i think you mean "comprehend" not "apprehend." don't use big words if you don't know their meaning.

obviously you aren't a Class III Dealer and know very little about why dealers do deals with law enforcement agencies. you don't know in what direction the money goes when it comes to LE sales. the reason why Class III Deales do deals with governments isn't because they pay top dollar for guns. in fact they pay very little.

the reason is because in some of their armories they happen to have great guns that are civilian legal, like a transferable machine gun. yes, that's right. so if anything i am making this civilian legal machine gun available to the general public again and taking it out of the government's hands. obviously you don't know that this is where the money is and this is why dealers want to deal with departments. we want to see what is in their armories that is civilian legal so it can go back into civilian hands.

but seeing you knew everything im sure you knew that too.

But you beg for their money on your website.

no, im looking to trade with them.....if you read the above statement you'll understand. but of course you knew all this.

And yes, you come across as an anti to the nth degree.

i really dont care if you call me an "anti." just because i dont agree with you doesn't mean i am "anti."

If you don't want people to assume you make money selling class III to LEO, then update your website.

when you become my webmaster you can tell me how run my website. until then you are free to assume any falsehood you please.

At least I'm not an 'internet FFL wannabe,' who has a 'suck up to leo' website in the lame attempt to snatch our tax dollars. Maybe it's be more correct to label you an LEO wannabe, your website and posts sure smack of that mentality.

you still haven't told me how im snatching up tax dollars....or is that some other inflammatory language you've made up to make me look like an evil entity that steals your money?

yeah, im an internet FFL wannabe, i don't really sell guns, i just act like i do. i really sell airsoft replicas. all the people who buy guns from me or use me for transfers really are just imagining things.

and as far as me being an LEO wannabe, another assumption on your part...obviously you know nothing about me yet know everything at the same time.

but im sure you knew every damn thing about what i just typed.....oh well..... :banghead:

as an aside im wondering at what point the THR mods are going to flat out ban you for being nothing short of rude. don't attack the poster, argue the subject matter......

 

[dave_pro2a]

Just returing the favor Spreadfire, you alluded to me being ignorant, and an 'internet command' first (in fact, I think you outright accused me of it). Can't take the heat, then don't start the fire.

 

[dave_pro2a]

Quote spreadfire arms: "no, im looking to trade with them.....if you read the above statement you'll understand. but of course you knew all this."

Quote, spreadfires website: "Law Enforcement Agencies please contact us for a free machine gun demonstration! We have the following machine guns available for demonstration; be it for officer safety, training, or for a potential future purchase"

One of you is speaking with a forked tongue, is it your posts here, or your website. Semantics Spreadfire, say what you mean, you're a stickler for that it seems, except when it comes to you anyways.

 

[Spreadfire Arms]

we'll see what the mods think.......ill keep my nasty words to myself. im obviously the bigger man in this disagreement.

"Law Enforcement Agencies please contact us for a free machine gun demonstration! We have the following machine guns available for demonstration; be it for officer safety, training, or for a potential future purchase"

oh my i think i will go update my website to read "potential future TRADE".....

also dave, haven't you heard of the "edit" button?

 

[dave_pro2a]

Quote spreadfire: "as an aside im wondering at what point the THR mods are going to flat out ban you for being nothing short of rude. don't attack the poster, argue the subject matter"

Whenever you're involved with a thread there always seems to be 5 or 6 people you end up bumping heads with -- and they aren't always the same people.

So yes, everyone else must be the problem, not you

 

[Spreadfire Arms]

Whenever you're involved with a thread there always seems to be 5 or 6 people you end up bumping heads with -- and they aren't always the same people.

usually it is the same group - you and DerbyFALs are two of them. Derby hasn't crossed the line like you have though. like i said i hope the mods have a Come-to-Jesus meeting with you....

and yes you are supposed to argue the subject matter not attack the poster. obviously something you have not yet learned.

 

[dave_pro2a]

Let's see, you called me ignorant.

Said I had delusions of grandeur.

Said I spout out senseless babble.

Called me an internet commando.

And you did all that BEFORE I criticized your website, or pointed out the discrepancy between your posts and website.

So who was attacking the poster and not the argument? And if (a big if) I did it, then who did it first?

Spew insults if you wish, use demeaning language, marginalize me as a person all you want... ain't going to change my opinion on the issue

 

[Spreadfire Arms]

let's see the true context of the comments:

Quote by dave:
So go on with your bad self and keep believing in blind obedience to the law, and the infallibility of our legal system, might as well keep believing in the Easter Bunny too while you're at it.

my reply:
you know, maybe if i was as ignorant as you about things maybe i'd go on with the same senseless babble as the same rhetoric you, DerbyFALs, and a few others seem to spout off.

i think our system isn't perfect but its a pretty damn good one. if you dont like the existing system, what are YOU doing to change it? other than typing on THR and being an internet commando, and labelling anyone who doesn't agree with you an "anti" and being in cahoots with the government, what have you done? probably not a darn thing.

"ignorant" and "senseless babble" refers to the same inflammatory words you guys use to label all persons who are not on the same agenda as you: "anti-2A," etc.

"internet commando" refers to someone who types on the internet but in real life does nothing about what they believe so strongly in.

Quote by Dave:
So yes, you suck our taxes, yes you make money off .gov (probably city, state and fed).

my reply:
dave im not sure how you think i am sucking taxes from people. please list all of the money i made off any city, state, and local government sales in 2006. you can't, can you? thus, your statement carries no weight. it is transparently without merit because again you say things that you have absolutely no proof of. but, seeing you have delusions of grandeur, you continue to believe that anything you think is fact.

the delusions of grandeur remark refers to you first accusing me of "sucking taxes." i'd say that's a pretty fair statement since it is a comment you made that is absolutely baseless.

dont forget all of your other quotes prior to my posts:

As to your sucking tax money from the .gov's treat, can't blame me for quoting your own website buddy.

im sure you mean "sucking tax money from the government's tit"....but you didn't spell it right. inferring i breast feed from the government is very inflammatory and insulting, especially when it isn't true.

So yes, you suck our taxes, yes you make money off .gov (probably city, state and fed).

sucking taxes infers i am somehow evil, as taxes are evil. again you have not supported this allegation with any proof. i am welcoming you to come here to get the proof you think you can get.

Unless you're lying on your website, or your marketing wasn't sucessful.

inferring someone's a liar...well that's self explanatory.

then let's look at what else you wrote:

"imbecile"
"inept"
a "beggar"
"internet FFL wannabe"
"LEO wannabe"

the words speak for themselves. i think i have a few choice words for you but like i said im a bigger man than you so i'll keep them to myself out of respect to the board, certainly not out of respect to you.

 

[carebear]

Not to intrude, but I don't think anybody's mind is going to change at this point. I'd hate to see either of you banned or disciplined or get the thread locked.

Although it may have run its course.

Anyway. This is one of those, "no one can win" internet situations, might be best to just drop it.

 

[Derby FALs]

first off i think you mean "comprehend" not "apprehend." don't use big words if you don't know their meaning.

Maybe you will learn something today. Look it up for yourself.

Apprehend: To grasp mentally; understand: a candidate who apprehends the significance of geopolitical issues.


BTW, I believe he meant "teat".

Keep coming back.

 

[dave_pro2a]

Yeah I'm out, see you on the next thread Spreadfire

 

[Spreadfire Arms]

Not to intrude, but I don't think anybody's mind is going to change at this point. I'd hate to see either of you banned or disciplined or get the thread locked.

i dont think i've done anything to be banned or disciplined, however i think dave clearly crossed the line.

at this point the thread should be locked, as it should be when it turns into name calling.

if i am banned so be it, i know i've done nothing wrong and if the admin/mods choose to ban me for defending myself then i dont think i'd want to be a part of THR at this point anyway. i've already taken away my THR member discount for transfers and CHL classes because i have chosen not to be professionally associated with the pervasive beliefs on THR which advocate the lying to the police to cover up crimes, advocate the killing of police officers, and advocate the blatant disregard of laws if you disagree with them.

im sure that if i was banned, i certainly would increase all firearm transfers and CHL classes of all persons who i knew were THR members to 1000% of what others would pay though.

 

[carebear]

At least you aren't bitter.

 

[clarence222]

Just a couple of items

I can certainly understand why someone would plead guilty instead of facing a long drawn out trial for several reasons. His age, I believe it is stated that he is 67 years of age. How many of us younger people could take the stress placed on him and his family by a long trial. Finances how much is it going to cost him to fight it. Is it worth it to sink your life savings into something when it can be over so shortly. At 67 you have to think that maybe he didnt want to risk so much maybe he thought his money would be better off spent on his children or grandchildren's future. I don't know his reasons behind his decision but I think those are good possibilities, we might never know. Where are all the gun groups (NRA,GOA, etc.) in this and did they offer to help in any way. Did he want to risk facing what could be the ast few years of a long life away from his family I don't know. All I know is that he thought this was the best solution. Are the MGs even operable, I remember a thread on this site not to long ago about charges against a man accused of having illegal MG's and they turned up to be legal if my memory is correct.

Spread, Dave you both seem to have strong opinions on this matter whether they are right or wrong. Wouldn't we all be better served by trying to come up with solutions instead of bickering back and forth. Obviously most of us are on this site because we enjoy firearms, so we all do have something in common. Lets work together and try and change the laws we think are unconstitutional. I for one would like to own Class 3 weapons including full auto MG's but seeing how I wasn't hatched until 1972, which means in 1986 I wasn't old enough to even own a long gun or for that matter to purchase a air gun at wally world. Then Class 3 weapons for the time being are simply to expensive to even consider. How about we try to change that. I don't think I should have mortgage my home to buy one.

Just some thoughts I had reading this thread the last day or so. Fighting with each other will change nothing.

Spreadfire I was wondering if you could get me some pics of those 870 tradeins you have on your website might be interested in one or two.

 

[Spreadfire Arms]

Spreadfire I was wondering if you could get me some pics of those 870 tradeins you have on your website might be interested in one or two.

you'll have to wait until i see if im banned because if i am banned your cost as a THR member will be the price x 10 !

 

[Matt G]

And...
we're. . .
DONE.