WWII tank found after 64 years

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Hi all, a friend sent me this. He usually sends me taunting emails but occasionally he sends a really cool one like this. Thought I'd share. An incredible find.
WW II Russian tank with German markings uncovered after 62 years. WW II Buffs will find this interesting.Even after 62 years (and a little tinkering), they were able to fire up the diesel engine!

A Komatsu D375A-2 bulldozer pulled the abandoned tank from its tomb under the boggy bank of a lake near Johvi, Estonia. The Soviet-built T34/76A tank had been resting at the bottom of the lake for 56 years. According to its specifications, it's a 27-ton machine with a top speed of 53 km/hr.

From February to September 1944, heavy battles were fought in the narrow, 50 km-wide, Narva front in the north-eastern part of Estonia. Over 100,000 men were killed and 300,000 men were wounded there. During battles in the summer of 1944, the tank was captured from the Soviet army and used by the German army. (This is the reason that there are German markings painted on the tank's exterior.) On 19th September, 1944, German troops began an organized retreat along the Narva front. It is suspected that the tank was then purposefully driven into the lake to conceal it when its captors left the area.

At that time, a local boy walking by the lake, Kurtna Matasjarv, noticed tank tracks leading into the lake but not coming out anywhere. For two months he saw air bubbles emerging from the lake. This gave him reason to believe that there must be an armored vehicle at the lake's bottom. A few years ago, he told the story to the leader of the local war history club 'Otsing'. Together with other club members, Mr. Igor Shedunov initiated diving expeditions to the bottom of the lake about a year ago. At the depth of 7 metres they discovered the tank resting under a 3 metre layer of peat.

Enthusiasts from the club, under Mr Shedunov's leadership, decided to pull the tank out. In September of 2000 they turned to Mr. Aleksander Borovkovthe, manager of the Narva open pit company AS Eesti Polevkivi, to rent the company's Komatsu D375A-2 bulldozer. (Currently used at the pit, the Komatsu dozer was manufactured in 1995, and has recorded 19,000 operating hours without major repairs.)

The pulling operation began at 09:00 and was concluded at 15:00, with several technical breaks. The weight of the tank, combined with the travel incline, made for a pulling operation that required significant muscle. The D375A-2 handled the operation with power and style. The weight of the fully-armed tank was around 30 tons, so the active force required to retrieve it was similar. A main requirement for the 68-ton dozer was to have enough weight to prevent slippage while moving up the hill.

After the tank surfaced, it turned out to be a 'trophy tank' that had been captured by the German army in the course of the battle at Sinimaed (Blue Hills) about six weeks before it was sunk in the lake. Altogether, 116 shells were found on board. Remarkably, the tank was in good condition, with NO RUST, and all systems (except the engine) in working condition. This is a very rare machine, especially considering that it fought both on the Russian and the German sides. Plans are underway to fully restore the tank. It will be displayed at a war history museum in the Gorodenko village on the left bank of the River Narv.
 

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That is amazing how the german marking is still visible,the paint looks good too... T34/76, the Glock of WW2 tanks?
 
Rest of the pics. One of the captions said that after a few minor repairs, the diesel engine started right up!! Can you believe that??
 

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Little oxygen = little corrosion.

Still amazing - I'll bet that in 100 years it would have still been in about the same condition.
 
That's amazing, I've heard those bogs can really preserve things. I've heard of timber being taken from bogs that were a 1000 years old and was able to be used for furniture. Very pricey too.
 
Looks like they don't even need to restore it, just clean it up a bit and take measures to preserve it in its original condition (but I bet the Russians will want to remove the German markings).
 
Yeah, saw that somewhere else. Amazing how some type of mud (low oxygen content) can prevent oxidation. Makes you wonder what elese might be down there from previous wars...
 
i am sure that todays higher tech and much more costly tanks would survive even better when marinated in a lake. :rolleyes:

a while back [after challenger] NASA studied the saturne 5's left over from the time of the moon missions. came to the realization that they could not interact with the late 1960's-mid 70's technology--today could not 'talk' to 35 years ago even though the hardware was operational.
 
a while back [after challenger] NASA studied the saturne 5's left over from the time of the moon missions. came to the realization that they could not interact with the late 1960's-mid 70's technology--today could not 'talk' to 35 years ago even though the hardware was operational.

Sounds like Microsoft.......
 
There's videos on YouTube of the recovery. Bet that took a LOT of quarters to hose it off at the car wash!
 
DVD's are already on the way to the junk heap with the introduction of Blu-Ray technology.

And Blu-Ray will be dead in 5 or so years once higher bandwidth connections are the norm around the world and all media will be streamed or stored on HDDs.
 
a while back [after challenger] NASA studied the saturne 5's left over from the time of the moon missions. came to the realization that they could not interact with the late 1960's-mid 70's technology--today could not 'talk' to 35 years ago even though the hardware was operational.

Well, that's sort of true, and sort of not. They could indeed create programming that would run the sensors and controls. But, it would be more effective to substitute modern sensors, and update the controls. And once you start with that, you might as well correct a few of the known problems with the F1 engine, and since you are doing THAT, might as well make it BETTER.....

I have to wonder what they did with the ammo on board the tank. Given how well preserved everything else is, I wonder if any of it would still have fired? I'm sure the MG ammo would have had sealed primers and case mouths.
 
Is this a recent article? I remember reading something simliar about 7 or 8 years ago. I wonder if it is the same tank or if they found another one.
 
Plenty of military artifacts in Ohio, ultradoc. Just have to do your research.

Years ago I lived in Maryland. My house backed up to Route 28, a/k/a Darnestown Road. J.E.B. Stuart's cavalry passed right behind my house on its way from the Rockville Wagon Raid to Gettysburg. Plenty of crap fell off the horses and wagons, I'll tell you what.

Up here in Maine, it's easy to find relics of the Indian Wars, especially King Philip's War, as well as the French and Indian War, the American Revolution, the War of 1812, the Aroostook War, even the Civil War (Portland Harbor/Casco Bay fortifications and wrecks) and WWI/WWII (a few U-boats, a few sub chasers and patrol boats, and a lot of freightors, fishers and rum-runners down there).
 
I know how effective the soviet tank was but I wouldn't want to be part of the german crew operating it. Sounds like an invitation for friendly fire from a tiger.
 
This is a pretty cool story. I hadn't heard about it, so I instantly fired off copies via email to family.

I admit I'm rather surprised that the mods didn't lock this thread seeing as it doesn't have anything to do with 2A, RKBA, or firearms. I guess the fact that the turret holds a weapon, it applies. Stretching things IMHO.
 
Same tank from several years ago, still cool.
Remember Interordance selling restored T-34s for $50,000 a few years ago? Someone bought one - price went up drastically right after that...
 
-Makes me think of those two PB4-Y1s (Navy B-24s) on the bottom of Huntington Lake out California way. Cold, dead water with very little oxygen. The one that they found back in '56 had no corrosion at all. They pulled the guns and the bodies from that one, but haven't found the other one yet... .

Looked kinda like this:
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Man, that's astonishing.
Looks like they pulled up about half the lake bed with it, too!
 
JohnL2 said:

...One of the captions said that after a few minor repairs, the diesel engine started right up!! Can you believe that??

<<Smirking>> That sounds like a story that would circulate at a Glock convention. :D

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