Wyoming keeps 8 and drops 14 other states from reciprocity

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You know, "Kind of" and "PTK" make valid points. CALL the State and tell them they are losing your financial contributions to our economy. I don't like what's happening, nor do I "entirely" think it's a bad thing either. But, speak with your wallet, and TELL SOMEBODY. Walking away without telling the Governor (or someone) why, doesn't do ANY good at all.
 
I like to think of the inter-mountain west as being a sort of stronghold of values that I appreciate. Utah's progress with campus carry and Arizona's acceptance of open-carry are fine examples. While states' rights are seminal to operating on such a level, this is still disappointing to me. This isn't because I think they did the wrong thing, but because if Second Amendment Rights wane in a place like Wyoming, there aren't necessarily any states to urge them to reconsider an alternate solution, or to be honest, a jarring slap. WAS there a demonstrable problem facing the peacable folks of Wyoming? Is there any evidence that this is in their best interest? What do Wyoming citizens think?

My driver's ed. teacher may have been a meth-head, but I became a decent driver by using my own personal judgement and realizing that I was accountable for my actions. Never was my driver's license restricted by other states because I received sub-par training. Nevermind the 2,000 lb. projectile moving at 70 mph...

I think the Attorney General could have imagined a process to get the results desired without alienating the law-abiding folks who stop by on occasion to dump some money into the state.

The message could have been "You and your rights are certainly welcome here, we'd just like to get things organized properly". Instead (possibly due to the context of how this was presented here), I get "You can come visit so long as you check that thing at the border".

I guess this is what happens when a right is designated to a permit process.
 
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With loss of reciprical permits that greatly limits not only those persons that live in bordering states, but it totaly limits Wyoming residents from taking their weapons to those states that Wyoming will not honor. You don't honor my permits, we won't honor yours. Finger up, Wyoming!
 
With loss of reciprical permits that greatly limits not only those persons that live in bordering states, but it totaly limits Wyoming residents from taking their weapons to those states that Wyoming will not honor.
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They're more than welcome to cross the border to Idaho, we take anyone's permit from anywhere, no questions asked.
 
Rather then bitch and moan about Wyoming's AG and his interpretation, why not contact WY (governor's office might be a good place to start) and push the legislature to modify the permit requirements?
The AG didn't write the laws...his job is to enforce them. I won't dispute the permit requirements are draconian...especially now that we have a president who has admitted using illegal substances (marijuana and cocaine). But recall in Texas getting caught with one marijuana cigaret could get you life in prison.
Also, remember on the ATF form you fill out when you buy a gun, you attest you are not addicted to or an unlawful user of controlled substances.

WY has basically two industries, mining and tourism. WY's tourism industry could take a pretty good hit with this.
 
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Folks, I understand your anger, me too. But, as a CCW Instructor in Wyoming, let me offer a suggestion. Get a Utah Non-Resident Permit. It's good here, is one of the easiest permits to acquire, you NEVER have to set foot in Utah to get it as long as you can find a State approved instructor to teach the class. It's also one of the most widely accepted Permits in the Country. And yes, I teach the Utah class as well. Been doing it since 2001, I think. They maintain a list of Instructors in every State at www.bci.utah.gov
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Does Utah accept a Military ID as proof of proficiency, or is a Certified Instructor the only route?
 
The real problem with this is it punishes many who shouldn't be punished. For those who have permits in other states, CO for example, who have none of the disqualifying (in WY) convictions, they're punished the same as someone who does.

This also means many states are going to drop WY reciprocity. CO, for example, will most likely no longer honor WY permits once this takes effect as CO law basically states: "Pursuant to Colorado law (CRS 18-12-213), the State of Colorado will recognize a valid permit issued in another state IF the permit was issued to a resident of the state issuing the permit, and the permittee is 21 yrs of age or older, AND the other state recognizes Colorado permits as valid in their state."

So this is just a bad thing for a lot of "innocent" people all the way around.
 
Hanzerik...

You MUST attend a UT Concealed Firearms Permit training course from a UT Bureau of Criminal Identification certified instructor.

Here's a link to their application page:

http://www.des.utah.gov/bci/docs/ccwapp.pdf

DISCLAIMER: My instructor application is pending. I'm hoping to offer this course in CO soon.
 
The reasoning is prepsterous and inaccurate. New Mexico does not issue licenses to applicants convicted of drug crimes.
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There's still a lot of "reefer madness" thought processes in some of the western states.
One respondent to this thread blamed WY's decision on the anti-rights people. That's incorrect, of course...WY is one of the more conservative "Law and Order" states in the union.
Lot of us won't agree with being prohibited because of a minor drug charge...but would you want your state (Pennsylvania, in my case) to follow Wyoming's example (that is, no gun permits if convicted of a misdemeaner drug charge)?
 
I won't be going there again.
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Why bother with that attitude when getting another premit, like Utah, will cure the problem? If any states deserve to be boycotted, it's those who refuse to accept non-resident permits.

Colorado, for example, does not accept my resident Washington permit and does not accept non-resident permits [I have Oregon and Utah non-resident].
 
As I understand it, it's because Wyoming prohibits a CCW license for anyone EVER convicted of ANY drug offense.

1) Sounds like a retroactive penalty - and unlawful
2) Anyone have any good email addresses for legislatures there - I'd like to voice my opinion about crossing them off my vacation destinations
3) I've said it several times on this board, but it's worth revisiting: HERE IS YET ANOTHER REASON THAT THE WAR ON DRUGS IS A FAILURE, AND THE WAR ON DRUGS IS THE LARGEST ENEMY TO THE 2ND AMENDMENT WE HAVE EVER SEEN. Every anti-gun law has come about due to fighting drugs. Organized and violent crime go hand in hand with drugs. Politicians and law makers fight drugs and organized crime by outlawing guns. Sawn off shotguns; machine guns; assault weapons; hi capacity magazines; gun transfers; etc. and now concealed carry. When will we wake up and see that in addition to being a total costly failure, it erodes the 2A.
 
I have to say this is a bit annoying. I have a Montana permit and liked the idea of being able to travel to neighboring states without acquiring another permit. The main thing is I like to occasionally go to Yellowstone and with the change in the right to conceal carry in National parks I was looking forward to carrying in the park...but with no reciprocity I don't think I'll be able to. (The majority of Yellowstone is within Wyoming) :fire:

I looked at the Utah web site. There are no Utah certified trainers in Montana.
 
Well, one less state I need to drop by and spend money in.
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This response always makes me roll my eyes. Please tell us about all the money you had been previously showering the great state of Wyoming with to show your appreciation of their earlier reciprocity. I'm afraid that the folks in Wyoming aren't going to buy into the idea that you just hop in your private jet to go buy a fleet of cars in states with gun laws with which you approve. With the exception of the occasional run for full strength beer, fireworks, not a lot of folks just drop by Wyoming to spend money. The vast majority of those going to Yellowstone and the other tourist attractions, aren't going to care.
 
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The main thing is I like to occasionally go to Yellowstone and with the change in the right to conceal carry in National parks I was looking forward to carrying in the park...but with no reciprocity I don't think I'll be able to. (The majority of Yellowstone is within Wyoming)
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That is what my legal contacts are telling me was the motivation behind this re-evaluation. They somehow believe this will increase tourista spending.
 
I just sent an email to Governor Dave Freudenthal at this website, and I'd encourage everyone to do the same. Amongst other things, I told him...

No more hunting in Wyoming for me.
No more camping in Wyoming for me.
 
Does anybody here know the open carry laws in Wyoming? Also, in Montana there is no restriction on concealed carry outside of towns, does Wyoming have a similar take on concealed carry?

(I know I could look this up but perhaps someone who already has this knowledge can save me a bit of time. ;) )
 
I do find this interesting. Now I don't know what the other states look for on the background check, or how far they go back. But what I find most interesting is that the states that (I feel) are the hardest to get permits are the ones that are not on their approved list.

I live in Georgia (still approved by WY), all the state requires of me to be permitted is 2 sets of fingerprints, passage of the background check, and $35 (IIRK). But the states that require this plus passage of a training course (not necessarily a bad thing), such as Tennessee and South Carolina are not approved by WY.

Usually I have found it to be the other way around. This is a good reason for national reciprocity. If you are allowed in your home state, you should be allowed nation wide. Imagine the outrage if this had been drivers liscenses.

Wyman
 
Does anybody here know the open carry laws in Wyoming? Also, in Montana there is no restriction on concealed carry outside of towns, does Wyoming have a similar take on concealed carry?
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Yep, I do. I open carry much of the time. It is legal everywhere that you can carry a gun. That being said, not everyone knows that. The police chief in Thermopolis, Wyoming thought they had an ordinance against open carry. I think he knows different now. Not only that, cities are not allowed to pass an ordinance against open carry.
 
Great Idea! I sure will.

I just did! The lady that answered the phone took my info and message and she said the Attorney General is reviewing the law which was put into effect by a former AG. She doesn't think the law will stand.
 
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