RE-15
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Is there a chance of springfield making it. How can glock justify it and not the rest.
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Chicken-Farmer
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10mm is one of those rounds that had a large following but drifted out of popularity taking a backseat to 45 ACP, 9mm, and the 40. In fact the 40 was developed as a sort of 10mm "short". There are enough people that still shoot the 10mm to keep it around, but i doubt that Springfield would see it as a profit maker. When it comes down to it the gun manufactures don't care what caliber they produce, just as long as what they produce makes them money! I believe the Glock 20 was created for the FBI when they were still using the 10mm.
Some of the specialty ammo, such as Double Tap, ballistics put the 10mm almost on par with a light 44 Magnum load. Pretty impressive from an automatic!
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Some of the specialty ammo, such as Double Tap, ballistics put the 10mm almost on par with a light 44 Magnum load. Pretty impressive from an automatic!
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Glock has never completely discontinued a pistol or caliber. Not all products are constantly on the assembly line at all times, for example the 17L and 24 are still made in special runs now and then and when they make them they don't go bonkers on the number of them.
Glock (where so many others have not) has stuck with the 10mm long enough that they probably have a good idea on how many to make yearly for it to be profitable to them and they already have all the items they need to make them.
I doubt Springfield or anyother big name company will make a *new* 10mm pistol. If they thought the market was there they would have done it already. Who knows? but again if the $ was to be made they would make it.
The 10mm market is just not that big in the shooting public at large and 10mm's don't get government contracts, thus the main reason most gunmakers live for is not in the cards.
The Cz 97 platform begs to be a 10mm but the poor gun continues to languish with that slow and weak
45acp as its only projectile.
Glock (where so many others have not) has stuck with the 10mm long enough that they probably have a good idea on how many to make yearly for it to be profitable to them and they already have all the items they need to make them.
I doubt Springfield or anyother big name company will make a *new* 10mm pistol. If they thought the market was there they would have done it already. Who knows? but again if the $ was to be made they would make it.
The 10mm market is just not that big in the shooting public at large and 10mm's don't get government contracts, thus the main reason most gunmakers live for is not in the cards.
The Cz 97 platform begs to be a 10mm but the poor gun continues to languish with that slow and weak
45acp as its only projectile.
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possum
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i don't think there is a chance that they will, 10years in the making the xd if they were gonna do it, they would have already by now.
MachIVshooter
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Likely? Probably not. But it wouldn't be that difficult, since they already have a .45 frame to work with. Send them letters and hope, I guess.
Autolycus
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Just as a point of fact, Springfield does not make the XD. They just import it. I don't think we will ever see a 10mm XD gun unless someone modifies a current one.
That doesn't matter much as far as why they wouldn't have a 10mm....they pretty much have had all the newer models made specifically for them. Sure they took the original HS2000 and re-badged it a while back but then look at what's come out since then. It's still basically the same general design made by the same company but they've had them make compacts, subcompacts, tacticals, the V-10 series, the XDM series in 2 different sizes and also added pistols chambered in .45ACP, .45GAP, .40S&W, and .357 SIG. They added different colors and finishes and changed plenty of things on the gun including adding melonite, etc. Believe me they could easily do a 10mm if they wanted to...but they probably won't because the bottom line is....it's not a big enough seller.
MattTheHat
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You mean, other than Colt, Glock and Smith & Wesson?
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Autolycus
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I agree AtomD that the true manufacturer and the importer are not the reasons we will not see a 10mm pistol but the truth is that I doubt we will see a 10mm pistol in the XD lineup for other reasons.
General Tso
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Love it!
I should have said modern designed polymer or DA/SA automatic and not an over $1000 + made mostly by boutique makers 1911 Single Action or a short run of a revolver.
S&W no longer makes a 10mm auto pistol and has not in 15 years and Colt has simply remade and slightly upgraded its Delta Elite to try and get part of that niche 1911 10mm market... (at least they are trying to keep the price in the $800 + range) And I already gave Glock credit.
So again I will state that no major maker will come out with a new modern 10mm pistol.
On the relevance of the "import" issue: don't forget that Tanfoglio of Italy (not EEA in Florida) produces the 10mm Witness line - the standard models as well as the Elite series. EEA imports, markets and does the warranty work on these guns once they're here.
'Kay, ... so the American company, Vltor, WILL NOT be producing and selling the DA/SA, all steel 10mm Vltor Bren 10 (formerly to be called the "Fortis")?
I guess it depends on how you define "major maker."
Does Colt's recent re-introduction of the stainless 10mm Delta Elite count?
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Well that's the rumor and at a $1200 price point, using witness mags, from what I have read, part of what a 10mm in the XD or M&P line-up would do and the Glock line does is to make an affordable, light-weight, non-1911 platform. Witness does it too but its also only a SA gun and really are they that super popular?
Vltor is not a major pistol maker yet... so yes it depends on how you define major maker. I was thinking of big names, Colt, SW, Glock, the XD line, CZ, HK, Sig.
I already mentioned it and gave them credit but only if you want a 1911 platform. Some don't, some want a more modern design. I know many 1911 nuts that won't touch a 10mm 1911 if it were given to them.
Actually I guess the basic fortis pistol is reported that it will be just under $1000 (we shall see when they come out) but the Vice models will be over. Still an $500 pricepoint 10 mm would be nice for those who don't want a 1911 or to drop such big $ on a 10mm launcher.
Frankly the SW 10 Series might have been some of the best 10mm's made. I would look to get one of those used rather than hope for a 10mm from within the XD or M&P line.
Frankly the SW 10 Series might have been some of the best 10mm's made. I would look to get one of those used rather than hope for a 10mm from within the XD or M&P line.
Gunfighter123
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Tanfoglio/EAA already makes a Hi-Cap poly frame 10mm !!!
possum
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yes you are right, so it would have been better for me to say that it has been inported in to the US by SA for 10 years.
Yes the Force or Force 99 or sometimes the Witness-P and it has been around 10+ years.
Does anybody own one? I am not sure the last time I have seen one in person, it certainly has been a long time.
It did not appear to make any inroads despite the price. Tanfoglio/EAA pistols never seem to. Maybe that is why SW and HS Produkt (XD) did not venture into the 10mm realm...yet anyway.
A quick check found 3 witness-P's for $414-449 on GB.
It does not appear to be a vastly popular or mainstream pistol and not the answer the OP was looking for I suspect.
MachIVshooter
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I would consider Kimber, Dan Wesson and Tanfoglio pretty big names.
Just because it's not a plastic fantastic doesn't mean it isn't a mainstream pistol.
As far as the Witness P, no, they're not as popular as the steel guns. That said, there are loads of 10mm compacts, standads, matches, stocks, limiteds, etc. owned by members of this board. I account for a compact and a limited, my sister has a match and another close friend has a match and a stock. That's 5 10mm Tanfoglios for three people just in my small circle.
You want a better idea of how many are out there, ask Henning.
possum
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my xd is a .40 and even with very hot loads, it is still easy enough to maintain and control recoil and muzzle flip. i have never had an issue with a 9mm model no matter what ammo was in it. a correction of your grip on the gun might fix the issue that you had.
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