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This issue has come up in several threads recently. I found this Texas case:

IN THE COURT OF CRIMINAL APPEALS

OF TEXAS


NO. PD-0191-04

SHANNON EUGENE HAYES, Appellant


v.


THE STATE OF TEXAS


ON APPELLANT'S PETITION FOR DISCRETIONARY REVIEW

FROM THE FIRST COURT OF APPEALS

FORT BEND COUNTY

Hervey, J., delivered the opinion of the Court in which Meyers, Price, Womack, Keasler, Holcomb and Cochran, JJ., joined. Keller, PJ., filed a concurring opinion in which Johnson and Cochran, JJ., joined.

OPINION


In Tate v. State, we decided that Tex. R. Evid. 404(b) allowed a defendant claiming self-defense in a murder prosecution to present evidence of the deceased's prior threat against him. We found this evidence had noncharacter conformity relevance supporting the defendant's self-defense claim that the deceased was the first aggressor at the time of the offense. See Tate v. State, 981 S.W.2d 189, 193 (Tex.Cr.App. 1998). In this case, we are asked to decide if our decision in Tate applies even when the deceased's prior conduct does not "implicate" the defendant.

The record reflects that three indictments were filed. The third indictment charged appellant with murder and with manslaughter. See Section 19.02, Tex. Pen. Code (murder); Section 19.04, Tex. Pen. Code (manslaughter). (1) The evidence shows that appellant shot and killed an innocent third party (Swain) while appellant was firing a gun in the general direction of Swain and another person (Delaney). Appellant claimed self-defense because Delaney was threatening him with deadly force, and the jury was instructed on self-defense as it applied to the murder charge. See Hayes v. State, 124 S.W.3d 781, 784-85 (Tex. App.-Houston [1st Dist.] 2003). (2) The jury was also instructed that self-defense did not apply to the manslaughter charge. (3) See id. The jury acquitted appellant of murder and convicted him of manslaughter. See id.

At trial, the trial court excluded appellant's proffered testimony of two witnesses (Bell and Paisley) who would have testified that Delaney had threatened them with a gun about two years before the incident in this case. See id.

[DEFENSE]: There's [Bell and Paisley]. The proffer, I believe they're admissible, Your Honor, under Rule 404(b) to show the proof of a motive, opportunity, intent, preparation, plan, and lack of accident on the part of [Delaney] in attacking [Bell and Paisley] in a car, running up to a car after getting in a fight with one. They're signature episodes of [Delaney], and I would request the opportunity to present both of them, or at least one of them, to describe the events that they saw and observed, and how he attacked them with a gun and tried to kill both of them. I believe they're admissible under 404(b).

[STATE]: The State's response is that they're not admissible under 404(b), and that they're being offered to show that the witness acted in conformity therewith. They have no probative value as to show what the witness' intent was, what [Delaney's] intent was involving [appellant] who's on trial today. Also, the State contends that under a prejudicial analysis under 402 and 403, that the prejudicial value substantially outweighs the probative effects.

[TRIAL COURT]: Is that an objection?

[STATE]: It is, Your Honor. We object.

[DEFENSE]: The State's not entitled to due process under course of law. Any balancing has to be in favor of [appellant], not the State, because it shows the way [Delaney] thinks and operates when there's alcohol involved and that he gets angry. So, I believe that under 404(b), it shows his modus operandi of not being afraid to attack two people when he's angry.

[TRIAL COURT]: Objection sustained. Anything else?

Appellant claimed on direct appeal that the excluded evidence of Delaney's prior aggression against Bell and Paisley was admissible under Rule 404(b) to show that Delaney was the first aggressor during the incident in which appellant shot and killed Swain. See Hayes, 124 S.W.3d at 786. (4) The Court of Appeals rejected this claim and decided:

In Tate, a threat made by the victim toward the defendant could be introduced as evidence of the victim's state of mind and possibly his motive for the confrontation with the defendant. (Citation omitted). The testimony was probative of whether the victim was the initial aggressor, but it could be brought in for other purposes. (Citation omitted). In the instant case, the incident about which appellant wished to introduce testimony did not implicate appellant in any way. Delaney did not make any threat toward appellant, and Delaney did not indicate that he had any animosity toward appellant. The incident is not probative of Delaney's motivation or state of mind related to the confrontation with appellant.

See Hayes, 124 S.W.3d at 786.

We exercised our discretionary authority to review this decision. The ground upon which we granted discretionary review states:

Whether this Court's decision in [Tate] requires the Defendant to have been "implicated" by the victim's prior bad act before such evidence is admissible under Rule 404(b)?

This Court's decision in Tate does not require a defendant to have been "implicated" by the victim's prior bad act before such evidence can be admissible under Rule 404(b). In Torres v. State, we applied Tate to decide that, in a murder prosecution where a defendant claims self-defense, the deceased's prior threats may be admitted, even though those threats were not directed at the defendant, "as long as the proffered [threats] explain the outward aggressive conduct of the deceased at the time of the killing, and in a manner other than demonstrating character conformity only." See Torres v. State, 71 S.W.3d 758, 761-62 (Tex.Cr.App. 2002).

In this case, however, it is unnecessary to decide whether the evidence of Delaney's two-year-old specific acts of violence against Bell and Paisley was admissible under Torres and Tate because the only relevance of this evidence was to the murder charge of which the jury acquitted appellant.

The judgment of the Court of Appeals is affirmed.

Hervey, J.

Delivered: April 27, 2005

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1. The first three paragraphs of this indictment charged murder and the fourth paragraph charged manslaughter.

2. The jury essentially was instructed to acquit appellant of murdering Swain if appellant had the right to use self-defense against Delaney.

3. Section 9.05, Tex. Pen. Code, makes self-defense unavailable to a defendant who recklessly injures or kills an innocent third person. See Section 19.04(a) (defining manslaughter as recklessly causing the death of an individual). In considering whether appellant was guilty of manslaughter, the jury was instructed as follows:

Even though a defendant is justified in threatening or using force or deadly force against another, if in doing so he recklessly injures or kills an innocent third person, the justification afforded is unavailable in a prosecution for the reckless injury or killing of the innocent third person.


4. We express no opinion on whether appellant preserved this claim in the trial court. See Tex. R. App. Proc., 33.1(a)(1)(A), (to preserve claim for appellate review, record must show that complaint was timely made to trial court with sufficient specificity to make trial court aware of the complaint).

The defendant was acquitted of murder of the innocent bystander, but the manslaughter charge stuck. I suppose that you could make a case that if the defendant had been shooting to stop a violent felony, the death of the bystander would properly be assigned to the criminal. But this wasn't one of those rare cases. It was a typical self defense situation, one that evolved from a conflict between two people.

Jeff
 
All the more reason to try to get away from a confrontation if at all possible. Doing the right thing to protect your self can still land you in jail under the wrong circumstances. Practice, practice, practice!
 
"One is never so strong as when he is meek--never so meek as when he is strong" I wonder what the perps did with their unmarked midnight specials they like so well. Would have proved self defense, wc
 
A good find. Should be instructive to us all.

I tried to make a similar poin on another, unnamed forum that I'm not going to hang around very much anymore. Derision and scorn soon followed.

Very attenuated, even unrelated circumstantial evidence can come in, if the lawyer knows what he or she is doing. It didn't win the day in this case, but the argument still had to be made on appeal.
 
This is absolute madness!

I think here in FL, if you're involved in a fellony, and someone dies, you get blamed for it, no matter who actually caused the death (you or your partner in crime).

By the same logic, if you commit a fellony, which forces someone to defend him/her self agains you, adn they fire and kill a bystandar, YOU should frie for murder!!!

Where is common sense!!!
 
wait a minute, another thing!!! we all remember the woman who screamed "rape" to her husband. husband kills the guy, and SHE goes to jail.

Isn't that sort of kinna simillar ?
 
http://bulk.resource.org/courts.gov/states/Tex.App.01/79807.html said:
Appellant went with his friend, Aubrey Brent, to confront Darryl Delaney about an amplifier that appellant and Brent believed Delaney had stolen from the trunk of Brent’s car while changing its oil. There had been a previous encounter between Brent and Delaney that day regarding the car stereo amplifier. Brent claims that, in the previous encounter, Delaney chased him with a screwdriver and a gun, but admitted that he had initiated the confrontation. Delaney testified that he never chased or attacked Brent with the screwdriver and at no time had a gun.

Brent called appellant after this encounter and told him that Delaney had pulled a pistol and a screwdriver on him and that Delaney had stolen his amplifier. Brent told appellant that he was going to “whup [Delaney’s] ass” when he saw him next. After Brent said this, appellant told Brent that he would come over to Brent’s house. Brent and appellant then drove around, looking for Delaney. Appellant was armed with a handgun that he kept in his car because a friend had left it in his house and, according to appellant, he wished to return it to his friend.

Appellant and Brent found Delaney standing in the driveway at Roderick Swain’s mother’s house. Appellant parked the car in front of the house. Brent got out of the car and started to walk up to Delaney in order to “whup” him. There is some dispute whether appellant also left the car at this point and approached Delaney. Brent claims that he asked Delaney where his amplifier was and said that, if Delaney didn’t give him the amplifier, he would “whup Delaney’s ass.” Brent and appellant claim that, at this point, Delaney pulled a gun on Brent, while other witnesses testified that Delaney was unarmed. Appellant testified that, after the gun was pulled on Brent, he got out of the car, held his gun out, and told Delaney to get his gun off of Brent. Appellant and Delaney exchanged words, and Brent retreated to the car. Roderick Swain pulled up at this point and told both parties to go away from his mother’s house. Swain also went to Delaney and spoke to him, telling him to cool down and that it wasn’t worth it. Appellant returned to the driver’s seat of his car. Appellant claims that, at this point, Delaney moved toward the car, raised the gun he was carrying, and shouted “Bitch, I’m going to kill you.” Appellant testified that he feared for his life and responded to this threat by grabbing his gun in his left hand and shooting at Delaney. Appellant testified that he did not take aim while firing several shots and that his eyes were closed. When appellant stopped firing, Swain, who had been standing somewhere behind Delaney, was lying in the yard and Delaney, who was struck in the hand by a bullet, had backed away from the car. Appellant and Brent then drove off.

At trial, appellant sought to introduce testimony regarding a previous incident in which Delaney attacked Anthony Bell and pointed a gun at him. The court refused to allow this testimony to be introduced. However, testimony regarding Delaney’s attacking someone with a wrench was introduced as well as Delaney’s conviction for aggravated assault. Appellant specifically requested an instruction on self-defense as it applied to murder and an instruction that informed the jury that self-defense was inapplicable if they found appellant acted recklessly in killing a third party. The court incorporated both requested instructions into its charge. Requests for instructions on criminally negligent homicide and voluntary conduct were made by appellant and denied by the court.

At the end of the day, he was lucky that he didn't get in bigger trouble. When you go looking for trouble in Texas and then find it, the cops have very little sympathy.

eric.cartman said:
A friend of mine was at another friends house when a guy that had an "issue" with him came over and started a fight. The guy that came over looking for a fight got beat up, called the cops, after hearing the story, the cops said he got what he was looking for and is lucky that they aren't arresting him right now...

wait a minute, another thing!!! we all remember the woman who screamed "rape" to her husband. husband kills the guy, and SHE goes to jail.

Isn't that sort of kinna simillar ?

Not really, the hubby just came home, didn't know squat, his wife was being abducted and screaming for help (from his perspective) he fired to stop that from happening, stop the "attackers" retreat. Had the wife not said any of that, we don't know what would have happened.

The above story is a guy that is lucky to have not gotten the book thrown at him. It is hard to claim defense when you went out looking for trouble to begin with.
 
Jeff, really?

This has no real relevance to the other thread at all.

This is a case of mutual combat where a bystander gets killed. Appellant should go to jail, no ifs ands or buts.

I also see no mention of any of the idiots involved having a CCW permit.

In the other thread, we were looking for any instances of a CCW holder not in mutual combat shooting a bystander and going to jail. This is completely different.
 
jlbraun,
The law is the same even if the circumstances are different. Show me the section of the law that differentiates between a CCW holder and anyone else in a self defense situation? There isn't any.

This is the part that is relevant to all self defense cases in Texas:

3. Section 9.05, Tex. Pen. Code, makes self-defense unavailable to a defendant who recklessly injures or kills an innocent third person. See Section 19.04(a) (defining manslaughter as recklessly causing the death of an individual). In considering whether appellant was guilty of manslaughter, the jury was instructed as follows:

Even though a defendant is justified in threatening or using force or deadly force against another, if in doing so he recklessly injures or kills an innocent third person, the justification afforded is unavailable in a prosecution for the reckless injury or killing of the innocent third person.

I don't see why a self defense case that wasn't mutual combat or if the shooter had a CCW permit would change this ruling. I think it's pretty clear and something that everyone needs to be aware of.

Jeff
 
Also, the appellant's eyes were closed as he was firing. That's also reckless.
 
By not having a CCW Permit, he had to come up with a lame excuse to have a gun... It looked premeditated... Taking a gun, to a possible altercation shows premeditation, especially when you are there to ASSAULT someone to begin with.

I don't really see how this is material to most of the folks on this board.

I posted this to one of the other threads re: this subject. The quotation comes from Buck v. Bell regarding forced sterilizations. That is was actually upheld is kind of a low point in our history, but there you go.

mbt2001 said:
http://thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=363672&page=4

Originally Posted by Oliver Wendell Holmes (Buck v. Bell)
We have seen more than once that the public welfare may call upon the best citizens for their lives. It would be strange if it could not call upon those who already sap the strength of the State for these lesser sacrifices, often not felt to be such by those concerned, in order to prevent our being swamped with incompetence. It is better for all the world, if instead of waiting to execute degenerate offspring for crime, or to let them starve for their imbecility, society can prevent those who are manifestly unfit from continuing their kind. The principle that sustains compulsory vaccination is broad enough to cover cutting the Fallopian tubes.

Laws can and have been used / found / propagated for anything and everything. Even such august a group as the Supreme Court has some laughable decisions (see above).

Not trying to say that you are not right in what you are implying, but honestly, we can find "SOMETHING" to bolster virtually any argument.
 
People do not need a CCW in Texas to have a loaded firearm in thier vehicle ready for immediate use. It used to be under "traveling", now it is not and is perfectly acceptable all the time (other than restricted places.)
So firearms are in and around people much of the time since people are not far from vehicles or armed residences most of the time, neither of which requires a license.


Most of the back and forth highlighted is more about the court refusing to allow the details involving the shooting as it pertains to the act of the innocent person being shot.
They are essentialy saying that the circumstances of why he was shooting to begin with have no bearing and are not relevant to deciding his guilt in the manslaughter charge, only the seperate murder charge.
That is a bunch of BS, but obviously the state won that argument here.
Under that logic cops would go to prison all the time.

Basicly according to the court's decision here, if some innocent person is hit by a round, the reason the individual was shooting is not relevant, and details about the individual posing a deadly threat to the individual that opened fire cannot be presented to defend his decision to open fire as it pertains to the innocent person getting hit by a stray round.

That really stacks the cards against even a CCW holder that hits an innocent person if details about why they were shooting cannot be used to show the reason for shooting was valid and necessary.

What that means is if someone was to attack you, and you opened fire and one of your rounds hit an innocent person, the seperate trial about hitting that innocent person could prevent you from talking about or giving background about why you were shooting, and the person you were shooting. So if the guy that attacked you was a 3x felon out on parole with a long history of violence, all of that would be inadmissible in the seperate manslaughter trial about the innocent person hit.
 
3. Section 9.05, Tex. Pen. Code, makes self-defense unavailable to a defendant who recklessly injures or kills an innocent third person. See Section 19.04(a) (defining manslaughter as recklessly causing the death of an individual). In considering whether appellant was guilty of manslaughter, the jury was instructed as follows:

Jeff, do you understand what "RECKLESSLY" means in this context? That's rather more than simply missing or overpentrating. It would include "firing a gun in the general direction" of someone" as was the case here. We all know you don't fire projectiles in someone's "general direction."

Now one thing this simple old country lawyer has learned is to go back and read the cited cases. I did so here, and what do I find but this very interesting background detail:

Appellant and Brent found Delaney standing in the driveway at Roderick Swain’s mother’s house. Appellant parked the car in front of the house. Brent got out of the car and started to walk up to Delaney in order to “whup” him. There is some dispute whether appellant also left the car at this point and approached Delaney. Brent claims that he asked Delaney where his amplifier was and said that, if Delaney didn’t give him the amplifier, he would “whup Delaney’s ass.” Brent and appellant claim that, at this point, Delaney pulled a gun on Brent, while other witnesses testified that Delaney was unarmed. Appellant testified that, after the gun was pulled on Brent, he got out of the car, held his gun out, and told Delaney to get his gun off of Brent. Appellant and Delaney exchanged words, and Brent retreated to the car. Roderick Swain pulled up at this point and told both parties to go away from his mother’s house. Swain also went to Delaney and spoke to him, telling him to cool down and that it wasn’t worth it. Appellant returned to the driver’s seat of his car. Appellant claims that, at this point, Delaney moved toward the car, raised the gun he was carrying, and shouted “Bitch, I’m going to kill you.” Appellant testified that he feared for his life and responded to this threat by grabbing his gun in his left hand and shooting at Delaney. Appellant testified that he did not take aim while firing several shots and that his eyes were closed. When appellant stopped firing, Swain, who had been standing somewhere behind Delaney, was lying in the yard and Delaney, who was struck in the hand by a bullet, had backed away from the car. Appellant and Brent then drove off.

http://bulk.resource.org/courts.gov/states/Tex.App.01/79807.html

You presented this as a "typical self defense scenario." It clearly was not. Typical self defense shootings do not involve people firing at a group of mixed targets with their EYES CLOSED! That's reckless, and it can rightly lead to manslaughter charges. I think we can all agree one should never do it. But that does not mean that a missed shot or overpentrating bullet will lead to manslaughter charges. Those are cases of at most negligence, and perhaps not even that.
 
the case was chosen for the point of law the decision gave us

I don't really see how this is material to most of the folks on this board.

You are focusing on the circumstances. I am focusing on the law in question. The law states that you cannot use self defense as your defense if you recklessly kill or injure an innocent third party in the course of lawfully defending yourself.

That is material to everyone who carries a gun. As for the circumstances being applicable to people on this board; you are much more likely to be involved in a shooting that escalates from some type of lessor conflict with someone then you are to be involved in the internet gun forum classic self defense shooting, minding your own business and a stranger suddenly attacks you. If your self defense shooting starts with an argument over a parking space, rude driving habits, a spilled drink in a bar, someone thinking you are looking at his woman wrong or any other typical conflict that you can innocently get dragged into then it's going to look just as murky as the circumstances of this case.

Jeff
 
Cosmoline,
If you fired a non standard response, extended failure drill or whatever else you want to call shooting to slide lock (which by the way is a favorite term here at THR when members discuss self defense) and injured or killed an innocent third party, don't you think a case could be made that you recklessly fired? Don't you think you might have to engage the services of an expert witness validate that that was an accepted engagement technique?

I'm well aware of what reckless means in that context. And I'm also well aware of how a layman in regards to shooting and tactics might view shooting to slide lock and deciding it was a reckless use of force.

Jeff
 
Jeff White said:
you are much more likely to be involved in a shooting that escalates from some type of lessor conflict with someone then you are to be involved in the internet gun forum classic self defense shooting, minding your own business and a stranger suddenly attacks you.

True dat...

You should meet my "brother in law" if you can call an adopted step son that, but anyway, he is part of the family and is crazy as a peach orchard boar... Ever met someone and thought, "that dude is most likely going to kill me one day." Yeah, really nice guy.
 
I agree blindly shooting to slide lock is a highly questionable practice. I won't go so far as to say it's reckless. But yes it could cause significant legal problems, both if you hit third parties and if you continue shooting a person who is no longer presenting an imminent threat after the first, second or third hit.

However, that doesn't mean if you hit an innocent while shooting at an imminent and unlawful threat of deadly force you're going to face manslaughter charges. In normal circumstances it's the bad guy's fault for creating the situation.

You are focusing on the circumstances. I am focusing on the law in question.

The law here requires a showing of recklessness, which is satisfied by closed-eye shooting.
 
If your self defense shooting starts with an argument over a parking space, rude driving habits, a spilled drink in a bar, someone thinking you are looking at his woman wrong or any other typical conflict that you can innocently get dragged into then it's going to look just as murky as the circumstances of this case.
Most people will not understand that until it happens to them. They will proceed to believe any case that sounds this way that both people were at fault and totaly different than themselves because it wouldn't happen to them because they wouldn't do things that way.

That guy who cuts you off in traffic then flips you off who you glare at?
If he decides to stay angry with you, then follows you and then poses a deadly threat when you eventualy stop (or you break the law and speed also endangering others and liable for that to get away) and he then proceeds to attack you, it does not mean you are at fault. However in court you will be.

The prosecutor or "state" in court is going to make it sound like you did everything possible to escalate it even if you didn't and the official transcripts will not be much different than in this case, where it is far less clear if you provoked or escalated things. That is what many prosecutors feel thier job is, to present the most plausible scenario where you were at fault or have the highest level of blame or participation even if you were not at fault(they are a politician and thier wins and losses matter a lot to them.)

So automaticly assuming such people actualy are at fault when the prosecutor 'assumes' a lot, and exagerates other involvement is being naive.
The facts will normaly sound like an innocent person is partialy guilty, that is what a good prosecutor does. As Jeff says the perfect gun board "good shoots" are far less common as told by the prosecutor in court.
 
you are much more likely to be involved in a shooting that escalates from some type of lessor conflict with someone then you are to be involved in the internet gun forum classic self defense shooting, minding your own business and a stranger suddenly attacks you.

I would disagree with you. I can't recall being involved in a serious confrontation for many decades now. Not that I have never had issues with people, but I'm pretty careful how I deal with it.

The closest that I have come to drawing my sidearm on someone is when a just released felon showed up without warning on my doorstep one cold winter evening, and refused to leave.
 
Cosmoline said;
I agree blindly shooting to slide lock is a highly questionable practice. I won't go so far as to say it's reckless.

Actually many schools teach a multiple round engagement sequence. I've heard it called everything from a non-standard response, extended failure drill, five shot failure drill....Then there is the fact that most people don't drop as if they have been struck with a lightning bolt from heaven when they are hit with a round from a handgun. It's not unheard of, especially among people who have been trained to shoot until the threat stops, for the shooter to hit slide lock before the bad guy goes down.

We know that these are valid techniques, and that it's not unusual for more then one or two rounds to be expended in an engagement. We know why that happens. There are volumes of research on these things.

But does the prosecutor know that? Does the press know that? Do they care?

How many news articles have you seen claiming police brutality and excessive force when the police use what a layman considers an excessive amount of ammunition in a gunfight? There is usually plenty of outrage when the officer involved is no billed or acquitted. The police officer has written policy and documented training and expert witnesses that are use to convince the court that his actions, while they may have looked reckless, actually weren't.

The private citizen doesn't usually have these resources available to him. I would suggest that everyone does document their training, but that is a subject for another thread.

Do you admit it's possible, if not likely that one may have to argue that their use of force wasn't reckless?

If you are shooting to stop an armed robbery or an active shooter or any other obvious crime, this probably isn't going to be an issue in criminal court. The criminal will be rightly held responsible for any injuries to bystanders.

But most self defense shooting come out of a conflict that has escalated to that point. Maybe you bumped into a drunk in the bar, you apologized, he got loud, you decided to leave, he follows you out, screaming and cussing, then he pulls a chain from around his waist and charges you. You shoot him. The drunk has friends in the bar. The police get 31 different versions of what happened. Some people saw nothing, a couple of them verify your story, but several are good friends and a couple even related to your assailant and they say you shoved your assailant in the bar and exchanged heated words then invited him out to fight. You are arrested and held for murder. You are also facing aggravated battery and reckless conduct charges because you missed with one or your rounds, it impacted the windshield of a car pulling onto the lot and the driver was cut and bruised and injured in the ensuing crash.

The case goes to trial and your attorney impeaches the prosecution witnesses and the jury acquits you of murder. The prosecutor, believing this was mutual combat, probably because that's what the majority of the cases he sees are, pursues the agg bat and reckless conduct charges. Under this Texas law, you can't use self defense as an excuse. You have to prove that your firing multiple rounds at your assailant was not reckless. How do you intend to do this?

The scenario I just described is much more likely then for you to be standing in line at the convenience store to pay for your gallon of 2% milk when the armed robber came in and you coolly shot him when he pointed his pistol at the clerk.

Jeff
 
I don't see why a self defense case that wasn't mutual combat or if the shooter had a CCW permit would change this ruling.

Jeff, I don't quite understand this statement. It was my understanding that mutual combat and self-defense are legally polar opposites. It's either one or the other, so it would have a significant impact on the ruling. Maybe I'm misunderstanding the case, however.
 
3. Section 9.05, Tex. Pen. Code, makes self-defense unavailable to a defendant who recklessly injures or kills an innocent third person. See Section 19.04(a) (defining manslaughter as recklessly causing the death of an individual). In considering whether appellant was guilty of manslaughter, the jury was instructed as follows:

Even though a defendant is justified in threatening or using force or deadly force against another, if in doing so he recklessly injures or kills an innocent third person, the justification afforded is unavailable in a prosecution for the reckless injury or killing of the innocent third person.


Sage of Seattle;

This is the part of the ruling that is applicable to a self defense situation. It means that if you recklessly injure or kill an innocent third person in the process of defending yourself from an aggressor, even if that defense was justified, you could not use a claim of self defense as your defense against any charges stemming from the injury or death of the innocent third party.

Cosmoline properly pointed out that the over penetration or a miss that struck the innocent third party would probably not be considered reckless.

I pointed out that many standard engagement techniques and the fact that many people are taught to shoot until the threat stops (is down) often result in a large number of rounds being fired and in that case it would be very easy for a prosecutor or grand jury to consider your conduct reckless.

Jeff
 
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