You can't own that -- it's dangerous!

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The USAS 12 is deemed a destructive device, but the Saiga 12 can be had at any gun show and you can pick up some 20 round drums...
 
Thank God we have that law. It keeps firearms out of the hands of badguys.
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How did we ever survive until 1968?
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I don't see it as a magical block but more of a deterrent to own one and more charges to add to a repeat offender's sentencing when he gets arrested again.
 
The only law I agree with is not allowing felons to have firearms. Everything else is a knee jerk reaction to something. In Ohio, they passed a law that you couldn't have ammunition loaded in magazines in your car without a CCW. Because people think magazines and clips are the same, there was some concern that people who bought ammo from Perry loaded in spam cans and in Enblocs were committing felonies by transporting them home. Fortunately, they changed that law.
 
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I'm amazed that no one has mentioned 922r ...

The so called assault weapons ... like the Steyr AUG which has only been used in a crime in the movies and on TV is banned? Why?

A firearm with more than 10 imported parts is way more dangerous than one made with 10 or less?

For instance, a post 1989 AK with a US made receiver, muzzel device, trigger, hammer, sear and gas piston is much less leathal than one built from all imported parts?

Really?

Lets make some more confusing laws that make voters feel good but don't accomplish the goal ... kinda like the department of Energy.
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922r is one of the stupidest laws on the books. It is as bad as the now expired Federal AWB. I also think it is pretty dumb that they won't let barrels in anymore if they were part of a machine gun. Actually, the whole machine gun law is pretty stupid and against the 2nd amendment.
 
My Grandpa used to have an old single shot 16 GA he called the "Snake Charmer". It was more pistol than shotgun and he used it against the Water Moccasins around the stock pond where us kids fished. As I remember, the snakes kinda disappeared into a writhing sludge when Grandpa used it! Not sure what happened to it but I'd sure love to have it!
 
All laws that are not reasonable should be repealed. Be careful with the felon gun law. A DUI with a possible sentance over twelve months will lose you your guns. As will a verbal disagreement with a girlfriend if the cops get involved.

So many of our laws in general are political rather than actual necessity it is time for major reform of our political and legal system.

To answer the op, all except the background check. You can kill just as easy with a captive bolt pistol as a M16 on full auto. Harder granted to kill lots of people in one trigger pull but still just as deadly. Besides if everyone was armed how long would the idiot standing in the cafeteria live before someone shot them.
 
Besides if everyone was armed how long would the idiot standing in the cafeteria live before someone shot them.
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Thing is, just how many would actually BE armed? In the states that already have the easy carry laws, whats the percentage of carry by the population? It's still very small.
 
The only law I agree with is not allowing felons to have firearms.
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I don't think you understand what counts as a felony today. Using someones wifi without permission is technically a felony. As is using a false name when filling out a form on the internet.
 
If you've been caught carrying prescription meds in a handy daily container, rather than in the "official" one, you're a drug felon. I have very little respect for most of the U.S. code anymore, and the way they're using it to whittle away our rights. After all, once you've made *everyone* a felon, then the Bill o' Rights need not apply anymore, right?
As was mentioned above, an argument with a girlfriend, especially one who flirts with the cop taking the report, can bar you from your rights, as would any number of other bureaucratically inflicted nonsense.
If you were feeling a little down one week, and mentioned it to your doctor... and he decided to go ahead and record your "clinical depression", then, pow. No guns, no airplanes... and no telling what else they won't let you do. If you drive for a living, your DOT physical may also be voided until further review.

I think what the real goal is, is to try to herd us into the victicrat mindset, while disarming those who may have something negative to say about it. No tinfoil hat conspiracy theory here, though. Just the way power hungry jerks operate.

And, yeah... of course violent felons will always obey the law, won't they?
 
I have very little respect for most of the U.S. code anymore, and the way they're using it to whittle away our rights. After all, once you've made *everyone* a felon, then the Bill o' Rights need not apply anymore, right?
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Actually I think it's done so that we all know we are felons to keep us from causing the government trouble. After all if you're leading a movement that they don't like they can always find some law you broke and boom you're done for.
 
Someone that has a closet stuffed with weapons that he/she "isn't supposed to have" and has no intention of using them except at a range, is far less of a danger than the nutcases I see speeding and weaving on my local highways, yet the bad driver risks a dramatically less severe penalty.
 
Yeah, jf. Selective enforcement is a powerful tool.
Most folks won't really buck if they aren't being actively oppressed, but the knowledge that they're probably unknowingly committing something like 2 or 3 felonies a day oughta bug 'em a little, at least. Especially if they tick off someone with connections.
 
Laws and regulations, ordinances, rules et al. which proscribe what a person might do exist solely for government (the servant) to control the people (the sovereign). Laws should only be passed to define that which is actually done as illegal.

In the realm of all things firearm, I believe the vast majority of laws are predicated upon what might happen. If the focus shifted back to personal responsibility and effective sentencing for actions, not possibilities, we might enjoy a skosh more liberty.
 
That was a sarcastic comment to what I said about violent felons not having the right to own a firearm.
 
The thing that troubles me the most about the law is that our politicians are making more and more "crimes" felonies.
 
More people in this country are killed by obesity than any other single cause ... yet they are still allowed to own forks.
 
I believe this thread has gotten extremely off topic but,,, yeah, the SBR/SBS rule is rudely insanely stupid.... Full auto, while I dont agree with it requiring a stamp, I do think a normal shooter would want to experiment shooting it before they actually go through with it. Destructive devices? Can do with black powder, and its completely legal.
 
Destructive devices? Can do with black powder, and its completely legal.
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So a pipe filed with explosives and sealed at both ends with provisions for remote detonation is completely legal as long as I use black powder as the enrgetic? ;)

Note: Very heavy sarcasm implied. I don't condone making any sort of explosives. Its dangerous, or so they tell me.



I'm firmly on the side of no regulation at all. If someone (even a prohibited person like a felon or a kid 17 years old) really wants a gun, they'll find a way to get it no matter how many laws they have to break. And honestly, its easy enough to make everything from automatic weapons to suppressors to C4 in your basement given a few hundred dollars and a week or two of R&D that someone wouldn't even need to go through intermediaries if they were so inclined. (Before someone tries to refute that last claim, please do some research, it really is scary easy.)

Just as a general disclaimer: no, I don't build explosives, automatic weapons, or anything otherwise illegal or federally regulated. I do however know a bit about chemistry and have seen the chemical compositions of several explosives, and after consultation with several chemists, have become sufficiently frightened at the ease at which a lot of explosives can be made.
 
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