"You get caught with a firearm, you're dismissed from the football team"

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http://www.palmbeachpost.com/sports/content/sports/epaper/2007/03/06/a1c_umfoot_0306.html

CORAL GABLES — Randy Shannon has issued a straightforward warning to his University of Miami football players:

Get caught carrying a firearm and your days as a Hurricane are over.

After two shooting incidents involving UM players last year, Shannon plans to enforce a "zero-tolerance'' policy regarding weapons.

"You get caught with a firearm, you're dismissed from the football team," UM's coach said Monday.

"They're gone. They know the rules. It's not hard rules. It's to protect them."

Asked about his players' constitutional right to own firearms, Shannon said: "I'm thinking about the University of Miami and the kids. When you have a firearm, there's a 50-50 chance that you're going to get hurt. So I said, 'Let's not put ourselves in those situations.'

"Make it a 100 percent chance that you're not going to hurt nobody and that nobody is going to get hurt."

Last July, UM safety Willie Cooper was shot in the buttocks by an unknown assailant outside his home in South Miami. Teammate Brandon Meriweather, who shared the home with Cooper, pulled a pistol from his pants and fired three times at the gunman, who escaped.

Police determined that Meriweather acted in self-defense, and no arrests have been made in the case.

On Nov. 7, UM defensive tackle Bryan Pata was shot and killed at his apartment complex shortly after a Hurricanes practice. Pata, who police say owned several weapons, was shot in the back of the head and the case remains unsolved.

Meriweather, who has completed his collegiate eligibility, understands Shannon's policy.

"Guns don't do nothing but get you in trouble," Meriweather said. "There really is no use for a gun in college. You've got to get rid of them. It's no time for them. If you're a team player, you won't have no problem getting rid of them."
 
If I was on that team I think I'd be going after them in court over the matter. It's total BS that he think he can take away their rights. 50/50 chance you're going to get hurt? Doesn't look as though these guys were hurt by their own weapons to me. Criminals prefer unarmed victims.
 
I think the whole guns at college campuses is a tough issue. I would carry in a second if the University allowed. And of course, if I should be allowed to, then everyone else should have the right too. But I can't help worrying that all these drunk and high students would be responsible enough to not carry when there in the constant party mode. Even walking downtown on a weeknight, I'm rediculousy alert. I also don't like how they are attributing these shootings to the guns, but I'm not familiar with the players or their situations. I'm curious to know how everybody else feels about University's and University organizations restricting these rights?
 
And of course, if I should be allowed to, then everyone else should have the right too. But I can't help worrying that all these drunk and high students would be responsible enough to not carry when there in the constant party mode.
Small price to pay for freedom.
 
Wow, I have been dodging that half and half for all these years, and had no idea how lucky I was! Wow!
What a moron, hope he can be successfully sued.
Waitaminnit, can you zumbo a college football coach?
 
It seems to me that the coach is assuming for the school an implied duty to provide physical security for the players. If something happened to one of them, he or his survivors ought to sue, for a LOT of money.
 
Lack of education

Am I the only one that noticed the lack of education presented in these quotes?

"They're gone. They know the rules. It's not hard rules. It's to protect them."

"Make it a 100 percent chance that you're not going to hurt nobody and that nobody is going to get hurt."

"Guns don't do nothing but get you in trouble," Meriweather said. "There really is no use for a gun in college. You've got to get rid of them. It's no time for them. If you're a team player, you won't have no problem getting rid of them."

The last being the worst.

I may not always speak clearly enough, but at least I know better than to say "Dont do nothing"

If that is the level of the one trying to make the rules that infringe our 2A, then we should have no problems trumping thier supposed arguments.

/sigh
Morcoth
 
Wow... Just wow...

Anyone who cannot construct anything even RESEMBLING proper grammar shouldn't just go and ASSUME they have power over other people. Just wow.

Yeah, this guy needs a good sueing.
 
sue away

But remember, he's not saying they cannot have firearms. The Coach is saying they can't have/use/carry firearms and stay on the team. Again no constitional right to play football for a major university. Sorry guys but the coach can make his own rules. The players then can make the decision to stay and play or keep their guns.
 
I wonder what that coach would have thought if everybody except the grammatical wonder got up and walked off the team?

There's a 50/50 chance of you falling in the shower and breaking your bones. There's a 50/50 chance of you being in an auto accident. There's a 50/50 chance of you being shot. There's a 50/50 chance of you winning the lottery. You will or you won't.
 
That it. Time for petty vengeance.

You get caught with a football, you're off the rifle team.

Football does nothing but get you in trouble. Last year, there was a fight in the parking lot after a football game, and 30 people went to the hospital. Thousands of teens die every year in drunk driving accidents after football games, and we can no longer tolerate the carnage. Every year, thousands of football players break their legs, tear their tendons, take incremental brain damage, die, or spend the rest of their lives in wheelchairs.

The rules are simple, and for your protection. Footballs have no use in the real world, no use at all.

Get caught with a football, and you're out.

:fire: :neener: :fire:
 
Hmm, football players, huh. Couldn't be drug related, girl (not the respectable kind) related, general aggression related (word is they're aggressive type people), and not gun related.
Of course, after all those double negatives I agree with about half of what he said.
And he is doing it for the kids.

Henry Bowman brings up a point that is often overlooked. Freedom isn't free, and sometimes accidental/negligent gun deaths are the price we pay. Try getting that one past a spastic soccer mom.
 
How about colleges trying to educate people instead of running entertainment divisions for fat, old alumni?

Or - if you get a > 3.5 GPA in a real major, then maybe you can have a gun?

Coaches get what they recruit for their own career benefit. :fire:
 
So, since none of the people on the team have misused guns, but have been victims of gun misuse by others.

Yes, the coach can set his own rules, but this is a public university. Unlike a private school, they can't have rules that go against the bill of rights.

CR
 
FWIW

This team has had a track record of problems with the police and other serious on-campus issues, e.g. date rape accusations, assaults etc.

Their track record for problems comes across more like a gang of street thugs than athletes.

I believe they even had a major set (riot) to in the stands at one of their games with one of their arch rivals last fall. One of the alumni doing the broadcast made a comment during the riot along the lines of their opponents "coming to get their a-- kicked if they mess with us. I might just go down there and kick some a-- myself".

I'm a firm believer in the 2nd but there are some folks out there that really shouldn't be armed. And, as noted previously, private institutions get to set their own rules. The coach is not saying you can't own a gun, just you are off the team if your get caught with one.

My guess is the real world translation of the coach's speech means no scholarship money, no alumni checks, no free lease car or free ride with grades either. Have fun at community college back home.
 
geekWithA.45 said:
That it. Time for petty vengeance.

You get caught with a football, you're off the rifle team.

Heh. That would work, if there were any rifle teams.

I was talking to my girlfriend on the phone late last night as she walked to across a university campus (UNM) to her car. She was feeling uncomfortable -- unsafe. No firearms on campus, of course (for the law-abiding, anyway). This was about an hour after I saw a guy while shopping at Wal-Mart (no carry there either... and yeah, I know, but it's the only store in this :cuss: town) who had two teardrops tattooed below an eye and was wearing loose baggy clothing that easily could have concealed even a large-frame handgun... and that made me a little nervous.

I have seen advertisements for regular rifle practice at the local college in my town. Practice is in the basement of a building, with supplied air rifles. :rolleyes:

-- nobody_special, aka a geek with a 9mm

Relevant NM law:

Unlawful carrying of a firearm on university premises consists of carrying a firearm on university premises except by a peace officer; university security personnel; a student, instructor or other university-authorized personnel who are engaged in army, navy, marine corps or air force reserve officer training corps programs or a state-authorized hunter safety training program; a person conducting or participating in a university-approved program, class or other activity involving the carrying of a firearm; or a person older than nineteen years of age on university premises in a private automobile or other private means of conveyance, for lawful protection of the person’s or another’s person or property.

A university shall conspicuously post notices on university premises that state that it is unlawful to carry a firearm on university premises. University premises means the buildings and grounds of a university, including playing fields and parking areas of a university, in or on which university or university-related activities are conducted; or any other public buildings or grounds, including playing fields and parking areas that are not university property, in or on which university-related and sanctioned activities are performed.
 
That it. Time for petty vengeance.

You get caught with a football, you're off the rifle team.

Football does nothing but get you in trouble. Last year, there was a fight in the parking lot after a football game, and 30 people went to the hospital. Thousands of teens die every year in drunk driving accidents after football games, and we can no longer tolerate the carnage. Every year, thousands of football players break their legs, tear their tendons, take incremental brain damage, die, or spend the rest of their lives in wheelchairs.

The rules are simple, and for your protection. Footballs have no use in the real world, no use at all.

Get caught with a football, and you're out.


No, no, you've got it all wrong! Your grammar is waaaay too good!
 
Coach says: guns are out.....

but you can have all the steroids and HGH you want............chris3
 
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