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This is a great article. All emphasis added are mine. You can learn quite a bit about where we are in this battle by some of these quotes.

http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/07329/836651-85.stm?cmpid=localstate.xml

Why gun control has no shot
Governor's effort to pass new restrictions runs into organized and effective opposition, as usual
Sunday, November 25, 2007
By Gary Rotstein, Pittsburgh Post-Gazette

State Rep. Dan Frankel took note of the e-mails he received last week concerning a package of gun control bills emotionally endorsed by Gov. Ed Rendell.

Unofficially, the count was about 1,000 to 10, with the gun-rights lobby winning that grassroots campaign just as it succeeded in rebuffing Mr. Rendell's efforts to sway the House Judiciary Committee.

It didn't matter that everyone knew in advance the Squirrel Hill Democrat supported the bills.(SEND EMAILS TO YOUR REPS NO MATTER WHO THEY ARE) In nine years, he's yet to be on the winning side of any significant legislation opposed by the National Rifle Association and other gun-rights lobbyists. And, with their continued strength in hunting-happy Pennsylvania, there's no telling when -- or even if -- he'll ever be.

"There's no political penalty for those that don't support [gun control] measures, but there is a political penalty if they do," Mr. Frankel said of the impressive political activism that continues on behalf of sportsmen and other gun owners in Pennsylvania.

"We know based on independent polling that most Pennsylvanians support stronger gun control laws," he said. "The question is where on those persons' priority list of issues does gun safety rank, as opposed to where on the list of the gun advocates. ... The other side are single-issue voters and that carries a lot of weight."

The strength of the gun rights movement can be seen and heard in the woods of Pennsylvania tomorrow for the opening of deer season. The state has nearly 1 million licensed hunters, second only to Texas. About one-fourth of them are NRA members, putting Pennsylvania among its top three states for both total and per-capita membership.

An estimated one of three Pennsylvania households owns a gun or rifle, and 415,075 firearms were purchased or transferred in the state last year.

Pennsylvania has long been a challenge for gun-control advocates, going back to the defeat in 1968 of incumbent Democratic U.S. Sen. Joseph Clark. The gun issue was in the forefront of the election, won by Republican Richard Schweiker, after the assassinations of Martin Luther King and Robert Kennedy. Mr. Clark was a former Philadelphia mayor, like Mr. Rendell.

In his unusual House Judiciary Committee appearance last week, Mr. Rendell unsuccessfully urged approval of bills that would limit handgun purchases to one a month; permit local gun ordinances tougher than state law; and require that lost or stolen guns be reported to police within 24 hours. Such proposals have failed to win support for years, last year losing by 2-to-1 margins on the floor of the full House during a special legislative session on guns and violence.

House Judiciary Chairman Tom Caltagirone, D-Berks, said the committee's defeat of the proposals was a foregone conclusion, but he brought them up at the governor's request.

"I told him pointedly, 'Governor, I do not have the votes.' He said, 'Let me worry about it, and let me talk to the committee,' " Mr. Caltagirone said afterward. As to whether passage of such bills is possible in the future, Mr. Caltagirone, a 31-year lawmaker who voted for them, predicted, "It ain't gonna happen."

Mr. Rendell has been a proponent of tougher gun restrictions for years, and his committee appearance came after a spate of shootings of Philadelphia police officers, one of them fatal. The one bill he sought that cleared the Judiciary Committee would impose a mandatory 20-year jail sentence for anyone convicted of shooting at a police officer, even if the shot misses.

The governor, while discussing the slain officer's funeral with reporters, said he was "disappointed but not surprised" that the other measures were either defeated or tabled. He said he wants to "galvanize" the public on the issue.

"This is a marathon, not a sprint," Mr. Rendell said. "We are not going to go away."


But a leading opponent of such measures, Rep. Daryl Metcalfe, R-Cranberry, questioned the governor's timing. He noted that House Democrats had suffered negative publicity recently over the attorney general's investigation of their payment of bonuses to staff members. Because the governor's committee appearance was so unusual, he won news media attention for several days on the gun control issue.

"Many of us suspect that the governor and Democratic leadership were really looking for an issue to take front page headlines away from the bonus pay investigation," Mr. Metcalfe said. "If the governor were serious about addressing violent crime, there's many things we can do using the laws that are on the books."

Mr. Metcalfe and activists on the pro-gun side criticize proposals like the ones rejected by the Judiciary Committee as intrusive measures that would miss their target.

"Each time you pass a gun control law, the only universe of people you affect is the law-abiding gun owner," said national NRA spokesman Andrew Arulanandam. "Criminals by definition break the law. Passing a law such as one-gun-a-month is not going to deter criminals who intend on robbing or murdering or raping."

California, Virginia and Maryland have monthly gun purchase limits. South Carolina was the first to enact such a law in 1975, but repealed it three years ago. The limits are primarily aimed at "straw buyers" -- those who seek to obtain guns in mass quantities for illegal resale in cities with tough controls or for resale to criminals who cannot clear background checks and make legitimate purchases.

Analysts say such restrictions may hurt gun traffickers more than gun-toting criminals, but the laws' success in doing even that is questioned. South Carolina's repeal came after analysis showed that nearly 30 years after the restrictions were passed, the percentage of guns originating in South Carolina used in New York City crimes was about the same as before.

Little change foreseen

While Pennsylvania and many states did enact tougher background checks for purchasers in the 1990s to supplement federal regulations, few have enacted any new restrictions this decade, said Daniel Webster, co-director of the Johns Hopkins Center for Gun Policy and Research.

"In states where it's politically possible to do more on regulating guns, they've done most of what they can do," he said. "Generally speaking, the status quo rules."

In addition to the vigilant NRA, which on its national Web site immediately posted information about the House Judiciary Committee's votes and each committee member's position on them, a newer coalition of smaller gun-rights organizations adds to the effectiveness of the gun-rights lobby. They banded together two years ago to win legislative compromise on how gun owners would be affected by a new law concerning protection-from-abuse orders, and were also active on last week's votes.

"We are more organized now than we've ever been in Pennsylvania," said Kim Stolfer, legislative committee chairman of the Allegheny County Sportsmen's League, which is part of the coalition.

He and others attribute that effectiveness, in part, to Mr. Rendell. They say the more attention received by gun-control efforts, the more lobbying the gun-rights movement knows it needs to do. While challenging the merits of individual pieces of gun-control legislation, they often cite wider concern about losing their Second Amendment right to bear arms. It's common for groups representing rifle-toting hunters to take dead aim at bills whose focus is criminals with handguns.

"You're worried about the domino effect," explained Melody Zullinger, executive director of the Pennsylvania Federation of Sportsmen's Clubs, which encompasses about 100,000 members. "If the camel's head comes through the door, you're worried about what's going to follow."

Though there's nothing to indicate they need to worry about any impending success by gun-control advocates, conflicting trends make it hard to predict the issue's future. The number of hunters in the state is down more than 300,000 from a high of 1.3 million in 1981-82. Nationally, about one in three households possess a gun, down from one in two 30 years ago.

At the same time, political influence in the Legislature has gradually shifted from the cities to suburban and rural areas -- where pro-gun sentiments are stronger. While mayors of mid-sized cities such as York, Allentown and Bethlehem have joined the anti-gun lobbying, many legislators view the topic as a Philadelphia issue that does them no good to support.

Phil Goldsmith, president of CeaseFire PA, part of a national gun-control organization, agreed with Mr. Frankel that little may change in Pennsylvania until anti-gun forces can become as politically effective as the NRA.

He also agreed with a statement by the governor that their side needs to get bills voted on by the full Legislature, not just committees, so gun-control proponents can target lawmakers up for re-election who are on the record opposing them.

"We have our great role model out there in the NRA. They know how to do their job and mobilize people," Mr. Goldsmith said.

Harrisburg Bureau Chief Tom Barnes contributed to this story. Gary Rotstein can be reached at [email protected] or 412-263-1255.
First published on November 25, 2007 at 12:00 am

Newsflash to all the THR Doom and Gloomers (if I had a nickel for everytime someone gauranteed a new AWB last year after the elections, I'd have a nice new AR by now):

Enough. We are kicking a#$.
 
Several of us attended the committee meeting in which these bills got shot down. The antigunners' desperation was palpable.
 
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Anti's don't really know how to fight.

Agreed. But with the MSM on their side, they don't really have to know.

Some of you PA folks might want to send the Post-Gazette's advertisers a thank-you note for supporting that kind of drivel.
 
The one bill he sought that cleared the Judiciary Committee would impose a mandatory 20-year jail sentence for anyone convicted of shooting at a police officer, even if the shot misses.

Wouldn't that already be attempted murder of a LEO???:scrutiny:

Enough. We are kicking a#$.

That doesn't mean we should let down our gaurd. They'll never stop trying, and will succede if we stop fighting.

The only reason that we've not seen any new legislation this decade is that the NRA, GOA and millions of gun owners like us get our hackles up the instant gun control gets mentioned by a lawmaker.

Honestly, we should thank Clinton. The ban was a b*tch, but it's over now and made most legislators avoid treading that ground for fear of losing their office, at the same time making us much more vigilant of the goings on in in congress. The Billery's and Obamas will keep pushing, but the majority seem to remember the price of such feel-good legislation. What's more, the 10-year AWB proved that such bans are completely ineffective, making it even harder for future proponents to justify such measures.

We all hated life for a decade, but now when new bans are proposed, the legislature is forced to consider that it will not reduce violent crime and may cost them seats. There really isn't any upside for the anti's at all; nothing to gain, lots to lose, and I think the smart ones have begun to realize this.
 
The funny thing is that the anti-gunners like to talk about the NRA as a monolithic organization with a disdain for the populace, and funded by rich gun companies. Then they talk about the mass of communications (emails, phone calls, and letters) that they get against gun control measures as well as the political price (i.e.: loss of voter support) when such measures are supported.

So, is the NRA a monolithic elitist organization, or is it a grassroots organization with widespread support from voters who care and act?

It seems they view it as the former when talking amongst their own gun-banning selves, but when answering to reporters about the reality of the political landscape, they have to admit and admire that it is in fact the latter.
 
Unofficially, the count was about 1,000 to 10, with the gun-rights lobby winning...
1,000 voters writing letters to their representatives are considered a "lobby?"

Pennsylvania has long been a challenge for gun-control advocates
But, gun control organizations aren't a "lobby," they're "advocates!"

An estimated one of three Pennsylvania households owns a gun or rifle
And those households haven't gone on shooting sprees in Philly, have they?

The one bill he sought that cleared the Judiciary Committee would impose a mandatory 20-year jail sentence for anyone convicted of shooting at a police officer, even if the shot misses.
Yeah, attempted murder should carry a stiff penalty... even if the murderer can't hit his target with his Lorcin. I don't think the "gun lobby" opposed this bill.

The governor, while discussing the slain officer's funeral with reporters, said he was "disappointed but not surprised" that the other measures were either defeated or tabled. He said he wants to "galvanize" the public on the issue.
Using a man's death as a political tool... that's a new low, even for "Ganster Ed" Rendell.

Passing a law such as one-gun-a-month is not going to deter criminals who intend on robbing or murdering or raping.
Especially since not all robbers, murderers and rapists use guns. Murder existed before guns were even invented. Did Cain use a gun to slay Abel?

California, Virginia and Maryland have monthly gun purchase limits.
Ohhh, I'd feel sooo much safer visiting Baltimore, now. We all know Los Angeles is a crime-free utopia, too.

It's common for groups representing rifle-toting hunters to take dead aim at bills whose focus is criminals with handguns.
These bills were only going to prevent criminals from buying more than one gun a month? Darned, evil NRA misled me again!!!
 
"California, Virginia and Maryland have monthly gun purchase limits."

There's no monthly limit on long guns in Virginia, only handguns. And there are exceptions made to the handgun rule for CHL holders and collectors.

John
 
No monthly limits on long guns in kali either. Only handguns. And even then, it only applies to dealer sales, not consignment or PPT.
 
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