First paragraph is informational, for those wanting the short version, skip to the second paragraph. I have a 12 year old son who has shown an increased interest in shooting and hunting this year. He's been shooting with me many times and out hunting several times already this year. Actually, he's been tagging along carrying a .22 rifle stock stripped of the action so he learns how to navigate around other people without muzzle sweeping them. He's doing well. I want to get him into hunter's education class and his own shotgun for next season. That means getting him the gun well beforehand so he's got time to both learn to manipulate the gun and to shoot it well enough that I'll let him shoot at game. I won't allow a known poor marksman to shoot at game hunting with me, I've stressed this to my son. Shooting at game assumes the responsibility to kill cleanly if at all possible. Anyway... My son is 12, but built very slim. Pushing five feet tall, but only about eighty pounds. My 12 gauges positively punish him. One shot at a time and he's done. So I'm looking at 20 gauges and specifically autoloaders. I have narrowed it down to two, but am open to suggestions in the same relative price point. The Weatherby SA-08 Youth and Mossberg SA-20 Bantam. Balance of weight and recoil are important, as is length of pull. I've read good things about both. Opinions and enlightenment, please!