Your gun can't help you for home defense...............................if:

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Your gun can't help you for home defense if you never get a chance to use it. I wonder how many of us obsess over form, caliber, night sites, flash lights and wall penetration factors would actually get chance for that to even matter.

Would you see an intruder coming? Do you have motion sensor yard lights? Security systems? Alert dogs? Many people sleep so heavy that an intruder could curl up next to them in bed and they don't wake up. Who is to stop someone from giving you an italian neck tie before you ever wake up?
 
There's a point in there somewhere, I'm sure :)

If the point is that the firearm is the last line of defense then I'll agree, but it's probably the one that will get you into the most trouble if you use it. And this is a firearm discussion board so there are not many threads on which motion sensing light to buy.

I think we all get it that locks, alarms, lights and dogs are important.

But, there are people out there that won't stop at a light or a barking dog so the firearm matters too.

But you are right, you need to know they are coming.
 
Yes, that is exactly my point. I wonder how many people who obsess about the actual firearm have given proper consideration to the other elements of security.
 
Home security goes beyond defense against intruders. Consider:
fire
power outage
natural disasater
medical needs
... how far you take this is up to each individual.
 
Motion sensing yard lights ✔
Security system ✔
Indoor Akita ✔
Wife that goes "WHAT was THAT" fifty times a night ✔
Remington 870 ✔

I'm good.
 
i can sleep through thunderstorms, but i wake up when ever a poster falls off the wall.
 
A gun is just another tool in the toolbox, not a magic talisman. There are a lot of other measures that need to be met.
I suppose it's more fun to talk about "which caliber for..." than "which window film for zombies..." though :)
 
Being a heavy sleeper, I can appreciate your points. But I have 2 dogs inside, and 2 outside, 3 of which like to bark at anything askew. Plus I have security bars/gates, and quite a few loaded boomsticks around. I sleep very soundly!

P.S. I have purchased a motion sensor light but haven't installed it yet - don't know how to run the wiring, so I'm in the process of locating a good electrician.
 
Yes, that is exactly my point. I wonder how many people who obsess about the actual firearm have given proper consideration to the other elements of security.
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Your point is valid, to a point.

Would you see an intruder coming? Do you have motion sensor yard lights? Security systems? Alert dogs? Many people sleep so heavy that an intruder could curl up next to them in bed and they don't wake up. Who is to stop someone from giving you an italian neck tie before you ever wake up?
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Notice that you are contrasting guns with sensors. People obsess over guns and the capabilities of their guns because their guns are lethal tools. Few people have been killed by motion sensors.

Simply put, if they have a chance to respond, they often want to be able to respond in the best manner possible. They consider themselves to be the sensor. There is nothing wrong with it if they are good at it.

With that said, I will add to your concerns. If you follow the forum, you will find lots of folks who feel that being without a gun means being defenseless. Apparently, not having a gun means becoming completely inept when it comes to dealing with a threat.
 
Motion sensors can be defeated and the people that give out columbian neckties know how to defeat them.

Large dogs that accept snacks from anybody can be defeated too, not many 'guard dogs' are properly trained and the ones that are cost more than motion sensors and make lousy pets.

I can't remember if it was Jeff Cooper who said 'a pistol is used to fight your way to your primary rifle.'
That always made more sense than any other argument for personal defense I have ever heard.
 
I mean, why stop at all those? [Deleted] Wouldn't those serve a better purpose than motion lights and what not?

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I'm moving this thread to Strat/Tac.

I have no idea how long it's going to remain open there.

Odds are 50/50 at this point.
 
I cant imagine what about this thread would inspire anyone to close it?
Besides, I would like to hear peoples response to Justin's post. I like where he is going with it. What is reasonable and prudent vs.what is too far and paranoid?
 
Reasonable & prudent: doing things that create several rings of defense and slow and give notice of an intruder, e.g. steel doors with steel frames, Medeco locks, motion detectors, dogs, porch lights, knowing your neighbors, inter alia.

Paranoid and dangerous: spring guns and booby traps, foolish and possibly illegal.
 
There is a tendency for folks to focus too much on "gun" for defensive needs when they should not - and - to not have the mindset and training in areas they should.


Substitute "fire" being the threat at home.

THE best tool for a grease fire is a box of Baking Soda, not a pan of water due to inversion and the rapid spread of fire using water on a stove top.

Investigation , verification and education are keys.

Even a kid needs to be able to access a box or container of baking soda, and have been assisted in putting out a small control fire in the back yard.

ADEE comes to mind, so in essence, a kid should not be complacent and think a smoke alarm is always going to work and let them know there is fire.
Paying attention to the stove, using all the senses, not just sight.


Same mindset and training apply to staying safe in the home, guns are not the only tools, just one of the tools.
 
It's all about layers. Lights, fences, dogs, deadbolts, windowlocks, alarms, etc. That way if someone makes it in, they had to really want it.
 
Notice that you are contrasting guns with sensors. People obsess over guns and the capabilities of their guns because their guns are lethal tools. Few people have been killed by motion sensors.
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Try wiring a noisemaker to your motion detector.:neener:

Sorry, it's a very boring Sunday around here.
 
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nite plan

organic early warning system (stealth border collie) and self-contained attack unit (Jack Russel).
bedside 1911 & lite & electronic muffs that will amplify any muffled screams from even the furthest room in the house.
 
“It is usually futile to try to talk facts and analysis to people who are enjoying a sense of moral superiority in their ignorance.”
— Thomas Sowell
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Great signature. Instantly a favorite.
 
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