Your gun can't help you for home defense...............................if:
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BigBadJohn
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4 dogs, dead bolted solid doors, lights front and back and a security camera, too many easier targets around the area for someone to want to break in here.
john paul
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does reputation as the neighborhood gun nut count as a defensive measure?
wyoshooter
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Does looking like poor white trash with nothing worth stealing count as security?
scott22
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LOL, now that was funny!
Agree with post. A gun is for self defense but like anything else, constant practice is a must to stay current. I would even suggest buying a rubber training gun to learn how to draw, point etc if you must have a gun under your pillow. I personally have a taser gun which I heard has an incapacitation rate as good if not greater than a 9mm.
But more importantly is the need to have other security and deterrent measures in place.
A burglar's three worst enemies are-- light, time and noise. A burglar won't find your home an "easy mark" if he's forced to work in the light, if he has to take a lot of time breaking in, and if he can't work quietly. Anything that will enhance the three enemies of a burglar is extra deterrent to a would be burglar.
But more importantly is the need to have other security and deterrent measures in place.
A burglar's three worst enemies are-- light, time and noise. A burglar won't find your home an "easy mark" if he's forced to work in the light, if he has to take a lot of time breaking in, and if he can't work quietly. Anything that will enhance the three enemies of a burglar is extra deterrent to a would be burglar.
Hardtarget
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I'm 58 and I sleep "sound". So does wifey. However, its surprising how often I wake up...for no appearent reason. When I do, I lay there and listen.
Three years ago I came home late from work. Almost 11:00 p.m. I was asleep by 11:30 and before 6:00a.m. punks had stolen the radio from my truck. Never heard a thing.
I need a good motion sensor for the yard/drive because the neighbors dogs that raise cain if I take out the garbage never made a PEEP!
So...you are right. Can't do a thing if we don't hear the bg first!
Mark.
Three years ago I came home late from work. Almost 11:00 p.m. I was asleep by 11:30 and before 6:00a.m. punks had stolen the radio from my truck. Never heard a thing.
I need a good motion sensor for the yard/drive because the neighbors dogs that raise cain if I take out the garbage never made a PEEP!
So...you are right. Can't do a thing if we don't hear the bg first!
Mark.
icebones
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securuity is like a kevlar vest...
the more layers, the better...
the more layers, the better...
BEELZEBOB
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i have 2 signs posted on my front and back doors.
Frot Door says "Nothing here is worth your life"
Back Dorr Simply states "We dont dial 911"
my roomate sleeps on the couch. dont know why, he's just a bum like that.
but i figure while some perp is kicken hiss butt i could get my gun to the clip and plug the dude from upstairs.
Im a 200lb 6'1" bald dude living in the lowest demographic in boulder. lots of hispanics, single families etc. i stand out as it is...
soo i dont really know who be dumb enough to rob the only redneck in a 5 mile radius
Frot Door says "Nothing here is worth your life"
Back Dorr Simply states "We dont dial 911"
my roomate sleeps on the couch. dont know why, he's just a bum like that.
but i figure while some perp is kicken hiss butt i could get my gun to the clip and plug the dude from upstairs.
Im a 200lb 6'1" bald dude living in the lowest demographic in boulder. lots of hispanics, single families etc. i stand out as it is...
soo i dont really know who be dumb enough to rob the only redneck in a 5 mile radius
ronaldbeal
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But there ARE forums where people do fret and compare which pet immune motion sensor will work outside, and not give false positives from snow... etc... just not on a gun board. Different facets of security, and sometimes different forums (cocoontech.com is my favorite home automation and security forum)
RB
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The human body has some odd facilities. Anyone here been in a situation where the "hair stands up on the back of the neck" and you know it is time to run?
One night, I woke up at 4:00 am or so (for no reason) looked out my window. About two seconds after I looked at the window, someone walked by it on their way to my back door... WTH/HTH did I wake up b4 there was a threat??
Fate / Fortune - I wasn't supposed to buy it that day.
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bigfoot311
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i have a beagle that barks at EVERYTHING
BammaYankee
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In college, my sister in law's upstairs neighbor woke up as she was being stabbed by a home intruder. From what we were told later on, the girl reached into her nightstand drawer, grabbed a .38, put it to the guy's chest, and pulled the trigger. He made it downstairs and into the parking lot where he died.
So, Old School, you are only half right. But then again, you can only be all dead or all alive. You decide for yourself.
So, Old School, you are only half right. But then again, you can only be all dead or all alive. You decide for yourself.
Dravur
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I hired Chuck Norris...I sleep like a baby with Chuck watching the perimeter.
My dog pictured below. If they provoke her they may welcome me using a gun on them.
I also have an security system that alerts me to any door or window being opened. It went off once in the middle of the night and I had a loaded gun in my hand within seconds. I also like having other locking doors in my home that comparmentalize the area a person has accessed. This includes but is not limmited to locking bedroom doors for another barier that must be defeated. It may be fairly easily defeated, ie some one could kick it down, but the time and noise involved will give me extra time to prepare myself and/or call 9/11.
I think the general point is a valid one and am not sure why some people are so hostile to it. Possibly because they fear there is some truth to it? As others have said proper security is more than just owning a gun. It is also more than having motion lights and a dog. Everyone needs to decide what and how much they feel secure with. It is different for different folks and their varying situations. Although the OP may have been a little colorful in his post it is good to have questions about security raised so one can at least consider them. Some times there are issues one has not really though of before.
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pbearperry
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We own a Bull Terrier that can hear rabbits wearing sneakers walking on the lawn.He also is outside a lot playing with the grandkids and everyone in the neighborhood has seen him.I just hope they don't find out that he's friendly.lol
ZeSpectre
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Holes in your security plans.
It's always frightening when you discover them.
Not too long ago I arrived home from work and went straight out back to my workshop to futz around for a while. In other words I was unarmed ('cause I can't carry at work).
Well it got dark and something caught my eye back up at the house and I thought "weird, the wife won't be home for a while yet" so I start walking up there to see what's going on and I see a light glinting through one of the windows. No alarm noises, no motion sensor lights triggered... weird!
Now I'm really nervous AND my darned guns and the phone are IN THE HOUSE and my cell phone is in the car and I'd have to go past the house to get there!
So I wind up climbing a fence over to the neighbors house to discover that he's mounting a yard light and while he was adjusting it the light was reflecting off some of my house's windows.... WHEW!
The next night you can be sure that I mounted a hidden pistol safe AND a darned phone line into my workshop!
It's always frightening when you discover them.
Not too long ago I arrived home from work and went straight out back to my workshop to futz around for a while. In other words I was unarmed ('cause I can't carry at work).
Well it got dark and something caught my eye back up at the house and I thought "weird, the wife won't be home for a while yet" so I start walking up there to see what's going on and I see a light glinting through one of the windows. No alarm noises, no motion sensor lights triggered... weird!
Now I'm really nervous AND my darned guns and the phone are IN THE HOUSE and my cell phone is in the car and I'd have to go past the house to get there!
So I wind up climbing a fence over to the neighbors house to discover that he's mounting a yard light and while he was adjusting it the light was reflecting off some of my house's windows.... WHEW!
The next night you can be sure that I mounted a hidden pistol safe AND a darned phone line into my workshop!
Chuck Norris can divide by zero....
I probably wouldn't see the intruder if I was sleeping...
Do have motion sensor yard light?
Alert dogs?? Akita is there for that.
Don't sleep heavy...
These are all reasons why the last thing I worry about is the gun. It's always there, I know the condition, I can get to it in pitch black in about two seconds, I know it's dependable, and it always goes boom.
I probably wouldn't see the intruder if I was sleeping...
Do have motion sensor yard light?
Alert dogs?? Akita is there for that.
Don't sleep heavy...
These are all reasons why the last thing I worry about is the gun. It's always there, I know the condition, I can get to it in pitch black in about two seconds, I know it's dependable, and it always goes boom.
My 2 cents:
Home defense falls into two categories: convenient and serious. At some point, we decide to live with the risk rather than the cost and hassle.
Serious:
Getting a dog, vet bills, training it, loving it, making arrangements for it when you're away.
Getting a gun, training with it, having it available when you need it and keeping it safe when you don't have it with you.
Installing a security system and paying a monthly bill to have ADT or somebody monitor it.
Putting up a fence if you don't have a fence, putting up a 6 foot fence if you have a 4 foot fence, keeping the gate locked.
Beyond that, a 'Master Lock® Dual Function Door Security Bar' ($20 off the Lowes webpage) will slow down somebody from kicking in your front door, if you want to bother setting it up every night.
Likewise, a 'Door Jamb Armor Universal Doorjamb Combo Set 2-3/4" Backset' ($120) will make your door somewhat more resistant.
Replacing your house's flimsy inside doors with exterior doors (and door frames). Or at least putting a key'ed door handle on the door that goes from your garage into your kitchen and remembering to lock it (and then saying 'darn it' when you forget and lock yourself in your garage without keys); ditto for the door to the basement stairs if you have a split level.
Convenient:
Putting up a fake beware of dog sign or ADT sign.
Solar powered walkway lights (so you don't have to run wires, and they work when the power goes out).
Drapes/blinds/shrubs/external lighting so people can't see into your house easily at night and figure out where you are & aren't.
Closing doors at night, so an intruder doesn't immediately know which way to go (i.e. is that the bathroom or a closet? Which is the master bedroom?
If you live in the suburbs, keeping your yard free of 'attractive nuisances' like the kid's bikes, yard gnomes, etc. that might entice punks & vandals to notice your property and wander toward your house.
If you park on the street, not leaving cell phones, CDs, cash, or handicap hangtags visible in your car/truck.
Home defense falls into two categories: convenient and serious. At some point, we decide to live with the risk rather than the cost and hassle.
Serious:
Getting a dog, vet bills, training it, loving it, making arrangements for it when you're away.
Getting a gun, training with it, having it available when you need it and keeping it safe when you don't have it with you.
Installing a security system and paying a monthly bill to have ADT or somebody monitor it.
Putting up a fence if you don't have a fence, putting up a 6 foot fence if you have a 4 foot fence, keeping the gate locked.
Beyond that, a 'Master Lock® Dual Function Door Security Bar' ($20 off the Lowes webpage) will slow down somebody from kicking in your front door, if you want to bother setting it up every night.
Likewise, a 'Door Jamb Armor Universal Doorjamb Combo Set 2-3/4" Backset' ($120) will make your door somewhat more resistant.
Replacing your house's flimsy inside doors with exterior doors (and door frames). Or at least putting a key'ed door handle on the door that goes from your garage into your kitchen and remembering to lock it (and then saying 'darn it' when you forget and lock yourself in your garage without keys); ditto for the door to the basement stairs if you have a split level.
Convenient:
Putting up a fake beware of dog sign or ADT sign.
Solar powered walkway lights (so you don't have to run wires, and they work when the power goes out).
Drapes/blinds/shrubs/external lighting so people can't see into your house easily at night and figure out where you are & aren't.
Closing doors at night, so an intruder doesn't immediately know which way to go (i.e. is that the bathroom or a closet? Which is the master bedroom?
If you live in the suburbs, keeping your yard free of 'attractive nuisances' like the kid's bikes, yard gnomes, etc. that might entice punks & vandals to notice your property and wander toward your house.
If you park on the street, not leaving cell phones, CDs, cash, or handicap hangtags visible in your car/truck.
TimboKhan
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I live on the third floor of a theoretically secure building, although it really would be pretty easy to get in here if someone wanted to.
That being said, I doubt pretty seriously that some thief is going to take the time and trouble to get to the third floor, walk to the middle of the building and kick down my door. For the most part, everyone in my building is over 65, so I don't have a whole lot to worry about when it comes to fellow tenants. Basically, I keep my door locked with the flimsy little security chain on. If someone gets past that, I will hear them. I will have to react pretty darn fast, but I will know that they are coming. As far as my balcony goes, I honestly don't worry about it and thus leave my sliding glass door open almost constantly in favor of the screen door. I am up too high for the average ladder, and while I suppose my neighbor could theoretically swing over pretty easily, she is in her 80's, so I am guessing I am pretty safe on that front. When I am in the parking lot, a little basic attention to my surroundings works better than anything.
So, basically, my guns are about my first and last line of defense, though I doubt seriously I will ever need them as long as I live where I do now.
That being said, I doubt pretty seriously that some thief is going to take the time and trouble to get to the third floor, walk to the middle of the building and kick down my door. For the most part, everyone in my building is over 65, so I don't have a whole lot to worry about when it comes to fellow tenants. Basically, I keep my door locked with the flimsy little security chain on. If someone gets past that, I will hear them. I will have to react pretty darn fast, but I will know that they are coming. As far as my balcony goes, I honestly don't worry about it and thus leave my sliding glass door open almost constantly in favor of the screen door. I am up too high for the average ladder, and while I suppose my neighbor could theoretically swing over pretty easily, she is in her 80's, so I am guessing I am pretty safe on that front. When I am in the parking lot, a little basic attention to my surroundings works better than anything.
So, basically, my guns are about my first and last line of defense, though I doubt seriously I will ever need them as long as I live where I do now.
Getting a dog is a significant expense and responsibility, thus for many people who don't already have one and have no desire to get one, it's not an option.
A guy I know has had great success with an "electronic barking dog" that he purchased. It's simply an electronic device that plays a recording of a dog barking loudly for several minutes, after it is triggered by either motion or sound.
Break-ins at a storage building he owns stopped completely after he got the electronic dog. The burglars outside would unknowingly trigger one of the sensors, and would then hear loud barking from inside, causing them to depart the area to look for an "easier" target.
An electronic dog could also be useful in an occupied home, serving to both scare off burglars and wake homeowners. Of course, you would need to combine it with other safety devices, systems and precautionary measures.
A guy I know has had great success with an "electronic barking dog" that he purchased. It's simply an electronic device that plays a recording of a dog barking loudly for several minutes, after it is triggered by either motion or sound.
Break-ins at a storage building he owns stopped completely after he got the electronic dog. The burglars outside would unknowingly trigger one of the sensors, and would then hear loud barking from inside, causing them to depart the area to look for an "easier" target.
An electronic dog could also be useful in an occupied home, serving to both scare off burglars and wake homeowners. Of course, you would need to combine it with other safety devices, systems and precautionary measures.
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