Your Obscure Pistols (Pics)
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Catshooter
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Thanks barman, that was very interesting.
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45Broomhandle
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Here's my contribution to obscurity. This little .22rf single-shot POS was made and offered only in 1953! The name stands for the initials of the president of the company. Sydney Manson. The gun was co-designed by he and WHB Smith, who was a noted gun authority of that era.
When I learned of their existence I searched for years for one. Several months ago this one popped up on a national auction and I paid through the nose to win it.
Of course in the last few months TWO more came up for sale much cheaper. I also latched onto one of those. According to first reports - in a 1963 American Rifleman Dope Bag - was that just under 400 guns were produced. A later article in the '85 edition of Gun Digest said a serial number block of 200 more had been reported. Interestingly, the serial number of this gun pictured does NOT fit any of the various serial number blocks reported!!!
For what it's worth, here's a pic of the gun, and a pic of a vintage ad for it.
Best regards ~ ~ ~ 45Broomhandle
GUN COLLECTORS: We are merely the caretakers of these historical artifacts for future generations.
Here's my contribution to obscurity. This little .22rf single-shot POS was made and offered only in 1953! The name stands for the initials of the president of the company. Sydney Manson. The gun was co-designed by he and WHB Smith, who was a noted gun authority of that era.
When I learned of their existence I searched for years for one. Several months ago this one popped up on a national auction and I paid through the nose to win it.
Of course in the last few months TWO more came up for sale much cheaper. I also latched onto one of those. According to first reports - in a 1963 American Rifleman Dope Bag - was that just under 400 guns were produced. A later article in the '85 edition of Gun Digest said a serial number block of 200 more had been reported. Interestingly, the serial number of this gun pictured does NOT fit any of the various serial number blocks reported!!!
For what it's worth, here's a pic of the gun, and a pic of a vintage ad for it.
Best regards ~ ~ ~ 45Broomhandle
GUN COLLECTORS: We are merely the caretakers of these historical artifacts for future generations.
Mad Magyar
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45Br, that is an interesting pistol...Nice going.
BTW, this guy was a giant..His illustrated works he did for the NRA on Small Arms of the World is considered a classic...I use that book more than any reference for older pistols..
denfoote
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My obscurity.
Before they started flooding in in recent months, this was pretty obscure!!
Before they started flooding in in recent months, this was pretty obscure!!
XavierBreath
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XavierBreath
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Nortonics
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Damn - I ain't never seen a master engraved, cast iron pistol before!
Damn - I ain't never seen a master engraved, cast iron pistol before!
45Broomhandle
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Another Fairly Obscure Handgun
I just received a letter today from Roy G. Jinks, Historian for Smith & Wesson. This old-timer pictured below is a .22 Single Shot First Model - according to his letter. The top of the barrel is marked MODEL OF 91. He further stated this model was "...sometimes referred to as the Model of 1891."
Factory records indicate this pistol was shipped from the S&W factory on February 20, 1901. It was delivered to E.K.Tryon Co. of Philadelphia.
According to Jim Supica, who has written books on the Smiths, there were only 862 of these produced in .22 caliber. Makes these fairly obscure I'd say...
This gun has 3 matching serial numbered parts which indicates it is ALL original, and not made-up of various pieces, as some later guns were reported to be.
Yes, there are prettier Smith single-shot .22s out there, but few can claim this kind of uniqueness and scarcity. This is their ONE single-shot pistol, built on a revolver frame, which retained the revolver's recoil shields.
I like it!
Best regards ~ ~ ~ 45Broomhandle
GUN COLLECTORS. We are merely the caretakers of these historical artifacts for future generations.
I just received a letter today from Roy G. Jinks, Historian for Smith & Wesson. This old-timer pictured below is a .22 Single Shot First Model - according to his letter. The top of the barrel is marked MODEL OF 91. He further stated this model was "...sometimes referred to as the Model of 1891."
Factory records indicate this pistol was shipped from the S&W factory on February 20, 1901. It was delivered to E.K.Tryon Co. of Philadelphia.
According to Jim Supica, who has written books on the Smiths, there were only 862 of these produced in .22 caliber. Makes these fairly obscure I'd say...
This gun has 3 matching serial numbered parts which indicates it is ALL original, and not made-up of various pieces, as some later guns were reported to be.
Yes, there are prettier Smith single-shot .22s out there, but few can claim this kind of uniqueness and scarcity. This is their ONE single-shot pistol, built on a revolver frame, which retained the revolver's recoil shields.
I like it!
Best regards ~ ~ ~ 45Broomhandle
GUN COLLECTORS. We are merely the caretakers of these historical artifacts for future generations.
rxraptor02
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45BroomHandle,
That looks really cool.
"A single shot .22 on a revolver frame" interesting concept
Have you ever shot it?
That looks really cool.
"A single shot .22 on a revolver frame" interesting concept
Have you ever shot it?
Famaldehide Face
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That Khyber Pass pistol is a piece of work!, Wonder what else they make?
CypherNinja
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I'm also interested in the Khyber Pass pistol.
How did it get into the country? Is it possible to get something from there into the country today? (given enough money)
I've wanted something from there for a long time.
How did it get into the country? Is it possible to get something from there into the country today? (given enough money)
I've wanted something from there for a long time.
Buck Nekkid
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My "rare" CZ's
I just got the CZ 24, plated ones are a little rare. The CZ 45 and CZ DUO don't come around often either:
I just got the CZ 24, plated ones are a little rare. The CZ 45 and CZ DUO don't come around often either:
Buck Nekkid
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CZ still makes a version of the 45, called the CZ 92. It's only available in Europe due to our "sporting use only" restrictions on imports. I'd love one of these little babies!
If anyone knows how to get one over here, I'd sure be interested!!
If anyone knows how to get one over here, I'd sure be interested!!
45Broomhandle
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Do Charcoal Burners Count?
I haven't seen any "obscure" front-stuffers on here yet, and there are a massive amount of those worldwide. As soon as the Chinese came up with gunpowder, mankind has tried to work out different ways to best use the stuff to his advantage. A plethora of ingenious "shootin' irons" were designed and tried. (Ever seen a "duckfoot" pistol?)
Below is a picture of a MUCH later (ca1950s) pistol, built by Bob Tingle of Shelbyville, IN with an in-line design, when most muzzleloaders were still being made in the old, traditional side-hammer design. Unfortunately Bob died young so his beautifully designed guns of all ilk, were never made in great numbers. There are probably less than 100 of these beautiful old pistols surviving.
A couple of companies, including an Italian one, have duplicated Bob's design in the past, but those who have owned them say they are simply not the same high quality as the original.
I bought one, with a beautiful detachable walnut shoulder stock, personally from Bob about 50 years ago. (SN 25 as I recall) At some point in those 5 decades the gun and I parted company. In my later years I've thought how great it would be to find another. IT HAPPENED!
Recently the .44 cal. Tingle below was offered at an online auction and I was fortunate enought to obtain this one for under $200! The picture is the one furnished by the auction company, as it has not yet been delivered to my door.
Best regards ~ ~ ~ 45Broomhandle
NOTE: to rxraptor02, I refrain from shooting my older collectibles for fear of possibly damaging a historical piece. Besides, I've got numerous modern guns available to shoot, so why take a chance?
Yes, I carry a gun! 'Cause a cop is too heavy.
I haven't seen any "obscure" front-stuffers on here yet, and there are a massive amount of those worldwide. As soon as the Chinese came up with gunpowder, mankind has tried to work out different ways to best use the stuff to his advantage. A plethora of ingenious "shootin' irons" were designed and tried. (Ever seen a "duckfoot" pistol?)
Below is a picture of a MUCH later (ca1950s) pistol, built by Bob Tingle of Shelbyville, IN with an in-line design, when most muzzleloaders were still being made in the old, traditional side-hammer design. Unfortunately Bob died young so his beautifully designed guns of all ilk, were never made in great numbers. There are probably less than 100 of these beautiful old pistols surviving.
A couple of companies, including an Italian one, have duplicated Bob's design in the past, but those who have owned them say they are simply not the same high quality as the original.
I bought one, with a beautiful detachable walnut shoulder stock, personally from Bob about 50 years ago. (SN 25 as I recall) At some point in those 5 decades the gun and I parted company. In my later years I've thought how great it would be to find another. IT HAPPENED!
Recently the .44 cal. Tingle below was offered at an online auction and I was fortunate enought to obtain this one for under $200! The picture is the one furnished by the auction company, as it has not yet been delivered to my door.
Best regards ~ ~ ~ 45Broomhandle
NOTE: to rxraptor02, I refrain from shooting my older collectibles for fear of possibly damaging a historical piece. Besides, I've got numerous modern guns available to shoot, so why take a chance?
Yes, I carry a gun! 'Cause a cop is too heavy.
Aldronus
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45Broomhandle
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Aldronus, that's a mighty interesting looking pistol. What caliber is it? No makers mark on it? I don't think I've ever seen one like it. Maybe someone else on here can help you out.
Best regards ~ ~ ~ 45Broomhandle
Best regards ~ ~ ~ 45Broomhandle
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Aldronus
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heres some more markings
here are some more markings of it, i have to scale the pics down to fit the size limit, but if you want bigger ones, i can send them to you. I don't know what cal it is, but i should be able to get a mic and measure it sometime in the next couple weekends
here are some more markings of it, i have to scale the pics down to fit the size limit, but if you want bigger ones, i can send them to you. I don't know what cal it is, but i should be able to get a mic and measure it sometime in the next couple weekends
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Xavier-
If you're going to tempt us with pics of a Olympic Grade Free Pistol, you really ought to put it next to a box or two of Eley.
If you're going to tempt us with pics of a Olympic Grade Free Pistol, you really ought to put it next to a box or two of Eley.
XavierBreath
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Heck Justin, it shoots the federal bulk stuff better'n I can.......
It's a Sterling Mk7A4 Para Pistol. Select fire, open bolt. It would be classed as an AOW in the US because of the foregrip (a part which was manufactured by Black & Decker for Sterling). 300 of these guns were produced between 1983 and 1988.
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